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SSJ2 (Cell Games) Goku vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 05:12 AM (6,050 Views)
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bizness86
Nov 17 2011, 11:26 AM
A2SSJ Future Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell, but

Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT > SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) ???
Yeah. Is that a problem?
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Nov 17 2011, 07:50 PM
bizness86
Nov 17 2011, 11:26 AM
A2SSJ Future Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell, but

Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT > SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) ???
Yeah. Is that a problem?
I was asking you why you personally think I should have Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) when Future Trunks became stronger than Cell when doing the same think Cell did.
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Cell wins easily....Cell is kid SSJ2 Gohan's rival and a hypothetical SSJ2 Goku would be as weak against SSJ2 kid Gohan as MSSJ Goku was against MSSJ Gohan. MSSJ Gohan was definitely a good bit stronger than MSSJ Goku..there are feats for that. So Cell wins with very little trouble IMO. Goku might be able to damage him but at best it's like a Monster Zarbon against 24k Vegeta or something.
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Nov 17 2011, 08:09 PM
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Nov 17 2011, 07:50 PM
bizness86
Nov 17 2011, 11:26 AM
A2SSJ Future Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell, but

Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT > SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) ???
Yeah. Is that a problem?
I was asking you why you personally think I should have Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) when Future Trunks became stronger than Cell when doing the same think Cell did.
I don't see why Cell would be more powerful than Gohan just because Trunks was stronger than Cell. Trunks hadn't been weakened and beaten into insanity before he transformed.
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Nov 17 2011, 10:13 PM
I don't see why Cell would be more powerful than Gohan just because Trunks was stronger than Cell.
I'm not saying he has to be. You were almost insisting that he wasn't, I'm just saying it not far-fetched that he was, and I was curious as to why you were so adamant towards it, especially since it was shown that it was possible (Future Trunks).

That's all.
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Yes, it's possible, but I don't personally think it happened. Maybe Gohan remembered what his father said about the form killing speed or something, but he knew Cell was no threat to him. I also found this in D2:

"Cell was not dead. Having been revived into his perfect-form and even acquiring Shunkan-ido, Cell had reached his strongest existence."
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Nov 17 2011, 05:56 AM
I was thinking actully of the option that full power cell > buff perfect cell since fpc only *****ted himself while bc *****ted himself a lot harder and spitted 18..but maybe it was because:
1.gohan wasnt going all out against fpc
2.cell was already damaged so damaging him more would "break" him
Full Power Perfect Cell would beat Full Power Buff Perfect Cell in a fight..but Cell when he's buff should have a considerably greater ki.
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Kamikaze Pyro
Nov 18 2011, 08:29 PM
Yes, it's possible, but I don't personally think it happened. Maybe Gohan remembered what his father said about the form killing speed or something, but he knew Cell was no threat to him. I also found this in D2:

"Cell was not dead. Having been revived into his perfect-form and even acquiring Shunkan-ido, Cell had reached his strongest existence."
good point. but for the sake of jerkdom, I'll state that strongest existence is a bit vague.

Goku, in healing pod: "DOHMG! Krillin's back! AND HE'S STRONGER DAN EVAHS!"

But yeah, good find. But I never really had a problem with Buff Cell being weaker :w00t: .

SSJ2 Goku wins!
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His strongest existence could only be more clear if it had "yet" at the end of it, broseph.
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hm,as much as I remember,Goku and Gohan at FPSSJ were about equally strong.That means that if Goku went SSJ2 he would be about as strong as Gohan SSJ2,and Gohan SSJ2 is somewhere near SPC

In skill they are both about equal,Goku being maybe a little bit superior,but Cell has regeneration,and isn't gonna let Goku do instant kamehameha again.And since its 1v1,nobody could keep Cell busy for Goku to make a spirit bomb,I honestly don't see Goku winning this(but in anime they would probably pull some ***** out of their butt for Goku to win,like always coz hes main char ;)
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My final thought.

IMO, SSJ2 Goku vs Super Perfect Cell is the same as SSJ Goku vs Perfect Cell (Suppressed) EXCEPT...

Super Perfect Cell would have been near max power instead of holding a lot of his power back. Cell would get tired along with Goku instead of just Goku losing power. [/topic]
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bizness86 - exactly,only problem is Goku can't destroy Cell coz Cell regenerates,and Cell can destroy Goku
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I have Super Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Goku (Cell Games) being dead even. I would say that Super Perfect Cell would eventually win due to his regeneration, but it would be a long, drawn out fight.
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Nov 20 2011, 06:04 PM
His strongest existence could only be more clear if it had "yet" at the end of it, broseph.
"broseph?"

does this mean that i have to join that group that put bro in their names now?

brozness86?
bro_ness86?
bizbro86?
BrotherBizzy86?

SSJ2 Goku ftw.
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SPC rivals SSJ2 kid Gohan, so much so he says he's powered up like him and breaks his arm with a generic ki blast.

So obviously for a SSJ2 Goku here to rival his son as well..he'd have to rival him as an MSSJ. So whats the gap between MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ Goku? To me it's pretty big.

Firstly Goku quicks against Cell..now remember Cell here was not fighting at full power..everyone thought he was though. So Goku would not have quit against Cell unless he thought there was no way he could beat him. Vegeta says Cell was "a step or two behind", which warrants a decent gap between Cell and Goku with Goku only being a distant rival.

Then Gohan powers up his MSSJ and he and Cell fight for a few moments. Gohan dodges every single attack Cell throws at him easily..and then Cell has to increase his speed..a speed he did not use against Goku. He then grabs hold of Gohan and punches him.....Then for the rest of the fight it seemed about even between MSSJ Gohan and Cell. Although Gohan was timid and scared of Cell and started to refuse to fight back and ended up on the ground under Cell's boot..this had more to do with Gohan not wanting to even defend himself than Cell showing superiority over him. When they were fighting Gohan was dodging Cell's death beams and Gohan managed to bust Cell's lip pretty good even.

Anyway.

powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a hefty gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
Edited by Victorious, Nov 21 2011, 08:13 PM.
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