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SSJ2 (Cell Games) Goku vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 05:12 AM (6,051 Views)
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I don't know, I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. Goku was expecting Gohan to get stronger the entire time so it's not like he was planning on MSSj being > Perfect Cell.
There's also this line:
Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P15.4, P16.1
Cell: “I understand perfectly well that you don’t like fighting …But I don’t really know what you mean when you say that you don’t want to kill me. You couldn’t kill me in a hundred years. Well, am I wrong?”

Cell had only shown the same power he used agaisnt Goku + Full speed and yet he knows that Gohan knows that Gohan is weaker like this.
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Nov 16 2011, 06:41 PM
Umm
MSSj Goku: 100
MSSj Gohan: 115ish
SSj2 Gohan: 230-250 (Possible rage boost)
FPPC: 145-150ish
SPC: 235-240 or 255-260 depending on Gohan.

Cell was confident in beating Cell and Gohan admitted Cell had powered up more than he thought. It's just Goku's line I don't understand, saying Gohan could win even though he had less than half his energy.
There is no rage boost... the ssj2 transformation IS the rage boost.He couldnt get any stronger in ssj2 no matter how angry he was..he already was in his "hidden power" so getting angry about another thing doesnt increase his power, its just gives him more effort to fight and kill cell.
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Nov 16 2011, 06:59 PM
There is no rage boost... the ssj2 transformation IS the rage boost.He couldnt get any stronger in ssj2 no matter how angry he was..he already was in his "hidden power" so getting angry about another thing doesnt increase his power, its just gives him more effort to fight and kill cell.
I like to keep the option open... I think there's a very high chance he got a rage boost.
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Nov 16 2011, 06:59 PM
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Nov 16 2011, 06:41 PM
Umm
MSSj Goku: 100
MSSj Gohan: 115ish
SSj2 Gohan: 230-250 (Possible rage boost)
FPPC: 145-150ish
SPC: 235-240 or 255-260 depending on Gohan.

Cell was confident in beating Cell and Gohan admitted Cell had powered up more than he thought. It's just Goku's line I don't understand, saying Gohan could win even though he had less than half his energy.
There is no rage boost... the ssj2 transformation IS the rage boost.He couldnt get any stronger in ssj2 no matter how angry he was..he already was in his "hidden power" so getting angry about another thing doesnt increase his power, its just gives him more effort to fight and kill cell.
What you're proposing is that ~50% SSjin 2 Gohan is a lot stronger than Super Perfect Cell. To me, that's impossible. Gohan was digging into his reserves in order to beat Cell.
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Nov 16 2011, 07:57 PM
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Nov 16 2011, 06:59 PM
Teen GohanZ
Nov 16 2011, 06:41 PM
Umm
MSSj Goku: 100
MSSj Gohan: 115ish
SSj2 Gohan: 230-250 (Possible rage boost)
FPPC: 145-150ish
SPC: 235-240 or 255-260 depending on Gohan.

Cell was confident in beating Cell and Gohan admitted Cell had powered up more than he thought. It's just Goku's line I don't understand, saying Gohan could win even though he had less than half his energy.
There is no rage boost... the ssj2 transformation IS the rage boost.He couldnt get any stronger in ssj2 no matter how angry he was..he already was in his "hidden power" so getting angry about another thing doesnt increase his power, its just gives him more effort to fight and kill cell.
What you're proposing is that ~50% SSjin 2 Gohan is a lot stronger than Super Perfect Cell. To me, that's impossible. Gohan was digging into his reserves in order to beat Cell.
I never said 50% ssj2 gohan is above spc...didnt gohan beat cell thanks to the efforts from goku and vegeta who attacked spc the moment he could end the beam struggle.plus cell was toying with gohan the whole beam struggle which is the only reason why gohan didnt died when the kamehameha's clash into each other.when cell was about to "destroy" gohan's kamehameha and gohan himself vegeta Interrupted, letting gohan increase his kamehameha's power while cell couldnt do anything.
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But where do you think Gohan got that extra increase in power? He already told Goku he was doing his best. Goku told him to dig deeper.
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Nov 16 2011, 08:48 PM
But where do you think Gohan got that extra increase in power? He already told Goku he was doing his best. Goku told him to dig deeper.
I'd say it was always there, Gohan just doubted himself. It was like when Piccolo and Krillin thought he could kill Nappa but he froze instead of blasting them with a Masenko. Vegeta opened the door for Gohan to say crap I have a shot and then boom like Goku wanted. I think his injuries/wounds and the fact he wasn't confident in himself in the beam struggle exhausted him more so than putting his power in that blast.
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Nov 16 2011, 08:48 PM
But where do you think Gohan got that extra increase in power? He already told Goku he was doing his best. Goku told him to dig deeper.
what I'm wondering if gohan was worrying about the damage to the earth because he didnt tell goku he doesnt care about it right now..
And I said SPC was holding back the whole time, he was farrrrrrrrrrrrrr above 50% ssj2 gohan.Vegeta's surprise attack was the reason cell lost at the very last second.
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Hm, I see it differently then. I think Gohan had to dig into his reserve power in order to topple Cell's Kamehameha.
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redo...

statepower (state/SSJ)
A1SSJ1.3
A2SSJ (Perfect Cell Weighted)1.69
SSJ2[1.3, 2]


fighterpower
SSJ Goku100
Perfect Cell110

Cell has slightly advantage.

fighterpower
SSJ Gohan120
SSJ Goku100
Perfect Cell110

Gohan is stronger.

fighterpower
SSJ2 Gohan156
Perfect Cell110

SSJ2 -> 1.3 * SSJ. He's just getting started.

fighterpower
SSJ2 Gohan[181, 240]
Perfect Cell (Full Power)165
SSJ2 Gohan156
Perfect Cell110

Cell believes he can match Gohan when raised to full. Gohan counters Cell's Kamehameha.

fighterpower
SSJ2 Gohan[181, 240]
Perfect Cell (Weighted)278

Cell bulks like Future Trunks. His power raises, but at the expense of mobility. Gohan has the overall advantage.

fighterpower
Super Perfect Cell215
SSJ2 Gohan240

Cell returns. HE GOTTA POWER.

fighterpower
Super Perfect Cell215
SSJ2 Gohan (Damaged)[156, 177]

Gohan's hurt.

I'd like to think that Gohan was pulling a Goku move (vs Ginyu Force) throughout this fight; raising his power tremendously briefly when attacking his opponents (Cell Juniors, Cell).

fighterpower
Super Perfect Cell215
SSJ2 Goku200

It's still 200/215
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I think you should have Power-Weighted Cell below Super Perfect Cell personally, but I see why some don't. It's possible Cell was so weakened from Gohan's attacks that increasing his power like that simply put him past his previous full power, but not quite up to Super Perfect level.
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I was thinking actully of the option that full power cell > buff perfect cell since fpc only *****ted himself while bc *****ted himself a lot harder and spitted 18..but maybe it was because:
1.gohan wasnt going all out against fpc
2.cell was already damaged so damaging him more would "break" him
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Nov 16 2011, 11:54 PM
I think you should have Power-Weighted Cell below Super Perfect Cell personally, but I see why some don't. It's possible Cell was so weakened from Gohan's attacks that increasing his power like that simply put him past his previous full power, but not quite up to Super Perfect level.
I like your opinion. I'm curious as to why Weighted Perfect Cell shouldn't be > SSJ2 Gohan/Super Perfect Cell power where A2SSJ Future Trunks was notably more powerful that Initial Perfect Cell but was still thoroughly put down.
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Nov 17 2011, 11:08 AM
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Nov 16 2011, 11:54 PM
I think you should have Power-Weighted Cell below Super Perfect Cell personally, but I see why some don't. It's possible Cell was so weakened from Gohan's attacks that increasing his power like that simply put him past his previous full power, but not quite up to Super Perfect level.
I like your opinion. I'm curious as to why Weighted Perfect Cell shouldn't be > SSJ2 Gohan/Super Perfect Cell power where A2SSJ Future Trunks was notably more powerful that Initial Perfect Cell but was still thoroughly put down.
Huh? Could you rephrase that please?
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A2SSJ Future Trunks > Initial Perfect Cell, but

Perfect Cell (Weighted) NOT > SSJ2 Gohan (or Super Perfect Cell) ???
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 17 2011, 11:27 AM.
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