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SSJ2 (Cell Games) Goku vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 05:12 AM (6,054 Views)
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Still saying Goku because he is Goku and in the scenario, he would find a way to win. I just can't imagine Goku of all people losing to a main villain in a scenario where he sees his son die. He went damn near ape seeing Krillin be killed, he has nothing to lose if he is so mad that he transforms to the next level of SSJ and breaks every rule there was in other world by using IT to go back to earth (movie filler) and takes his body across that great divide without permission from Yemma or a higher level Kai

I don't know how, but the fact is that is a tailor made scenario for Goku to be Goku, and overcome a stacked deck of odds and play hero. He would find a way or push himself into a higher level than Gohan was off sheer rage because he has nothing to lose. He has lost his son, logically is going to lose his friends, going to lose his world, have his sacrifice be reduced to nothing, and would know that the consequence of breaking the rules to cross worlds would likely cost him his body. Do you honestly think Goku would just lose after all the stuff he had pulled out of his butt and in a scenario like that?
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Nov 7 2011, 07:44 AM
Still saying Goku because he is Goku and in the scenario, he would find a way to win. I just can't imagine Goku of all people losing to a main villain in a scenario where he sees his son die. He went damn near ape seeing Krillin be killed, he has nothing to lose if he is so mad that he transforms to the next level of SSJ and breaks every rule there was in other world by using IT to go back to earth (movie filler) and takes his body across that great divide without permission from Yemma or a higher level Kai

I don't know how, but the fact is that is a tailor made scenario for Goku to be Goku, and overcome a stacked deck of odds and play hero. He would find a way or push himself into a higher level than Gohan was off sheer rage because he has nothing to lose. He has lost his son, logically is going to lose his friends, going to lose his world, have his sacrifice be reduced to nothing, and would know that the consequence of breaking the rules to cross worlds would likely cost him his body. Do you honestly think Goku would just lose after all the stuff he had pulled out of his butt and in a scenario like that?
Yes he would. Even a rage boost wouldn;t add tht much to his power. Goku is alot weaker than his son who is weaker than cell. he can only go ssj2 not anywhere past that. Goku would be beaten in seconds in this fight.
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Was Gohan actually weaker than Super Perfect Cell? He never fought him with two arms and full confidence because of Vegeta. Gohan also got in his own head even in the beam struggle because he has a woe is me complex, where he beats himself up, and that limited his power.

Goku enraged and determined has never proven to not find a way how to pull off a win in the history of dragonball versus a main villain.
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Goku : 90,000,000.
SSJ Goku : 4,500,000,000.
SSJ2 Goku : 27,000,000,000 - 36,000,000,000.
SPC : 28,500,000,000 - 35,000,000,000.
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I think that Goku would take this with Extreme Difficult after a big fight.
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Nov 7 2011, 08:10 AM
Was Gohan actually weaker than Super Perfect Cell? He never fought him with two arms and full confidence because of Vegeta. Gohan also got in his own head even in the beam struggle because he has a woe is me complex, where he beats himself up, and that limited his power.

Goku enraged and determined has never proven to not find a way how to pull off a win in the history of dragonball versus a main villain.
I don't see any reason to doubt Gohan being stronger at full power and with both arms.
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Gohan wanted to go and wasnt scared of Cell. IMO he loved the thought of taking him out and making him pay for Goku. It took his arm being made useless and half his body being roughed up to make him doubt himself. He had enough to not only match Cell and not be overcome but to win and kill Cell, while swallowing every bit of him up in his wave. I have a hard time saying Gohan with two arms and belief in himself was weaker than Cell
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MSSJ Gohan : 4,500,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan : 9,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Full Power) : 12,000,000,000

MSSJ Goku : 3,500,000,000
SSJ2 Goku : 7,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell : 10,000,000,000

Meh, by my numbers, SPC stomps Goku.
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But by dbz logic and the past, that is a Goku pulls a w out of his butt and plays hero scenario
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MSSjin Goku: 9,400,000,000
- SSjin 2: 37,600,000,000

SPC: 45,000,000,000

Cell's got a 19% advantage, which is nearing "pretty easy beatdown" territory, but Goku's got some good techniques, even though nothing but his Shunkan Ido Kamehameha really had an effect on Cell, who knows pretty much all of Goku's techniques, too. So aside from another Shunkan Ido Kamehameha, which Cell can also do now I should point out, or at least be able to teleport away quickly enough, Goku can't win this IMO.
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IDK I guess my opinion of Goku vs Gohan is different from everyone in the cell games. IMO it was clear that MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan because this is how I saw it:

Cell > MSSJ Goku
Cell >>> MSSJ Gohan (not enraged)
Cell >> MSSJ Gohan (enraged)

I don't remember Gohan getting in anything but a surprise kick after a bit of rage.

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Nov 7 2011, 06:00 PM
IDK I guess my opinion of Goku vs Gohan is different from everyone in the cell games. IMO it was clear that MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan because this is how I saw it:

Cell > MSSJ Goku
Cell >>> MSSJ Gohan (not enraged)
Cell >> MSSJ Gohan (enraged)

I don't remember Gohan getting in anything but a surprise kick after a bit of rage.
He didn't rage though. Plus, he survived an attack everybody thought would kill him, and came out unscathed apart from a completely superficial head wound. Goku couldn't perform such a feat against Cell, since his chi was dropping constantly from Cell's attacks during their fight. There's also about three statements saying Gohan is more powerful (four if you count Goku's, but that's debatable).

The only one you really need is Cell's. Goku tells him Gohan is stronger and will beat him, Gohan powers up, and Cell basically says that even though Gohan is stronger, he's not strong enough to win. Obviously we know Cell was suppressed as well.

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P2.3-4
Context: after Gohan powers up
Cell: “Looks like what Son Goku said wasn’t a complete bluff…But it seems he overstated things a little when he said you could defeat me…”
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This is clearly dependent on

  • how much stronger some believes Gohan is than Goku
  • how strong some believe Super Perfect Cell is compared to Gohan
  • wierd *ss non-static multipliers given to each of them
It may be time to begin explaining why the differences in power exist rather than whether or not Cell pulls the W out of this.
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Nov 7 2011, 06:02 PM
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Nov 7 2011, 06:00 PM
IDK I guess my opinion of Goku vs Gohan is different from everyone in the cell games. IMO it was clear that MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan because this is how I saw it:

Cell > MSSJ Goku
Cell >>> MSSJ Gohan (not enraged)
Cell >> MSSJ Gohan (enraged)

I don't remember Gohan getting in anything but a surprise kick after a bit of rage.
He didn't rage though. Plus, he survived an attack everybody thought would kill him, and came out unscathed apart from a completely superficial head wound. Goku couldn't perform such a feat against Cell, since his chi was dropping constantly from Cell's attacks during their fight. There's also about three statements saying Gohan is more powerful (four if you count Goku's, but that's debatable).

The only one you really need is Cell's. Goku tells him Gohan is stronger and will beat him, Gohan powers up, and Cell basically says that even though Gohan is stronger, he's not strong enough to win. Obviously we know Cell was suppressed as well.

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P2.3-4
Context: after Gohan powers up
Cell: “Looks like what Son Goku said wasn’t a complete bluff…But it seems he overstated things a little when he said you could defeat me…”
The way I see the statements none of them were really comparative to Goku. Imo they were being compared to the Z fighters/Cell's previous expectations of Gohan.

Gohan was getting smashed and kicked around by Cell. It doesn't make sense for Gohan to not doge them if he could. Goku was dodging cell attacks, left him with less than a body, and if he took the senzu it would be over. Even if Cell took out his real power after Goku ate the senzu it would still a huge ki drain to power up that high. I think it's obvious that if Gohan didn't go ssj2, 5 senzus wouldn't make a difference against cell the way he was getting smashed.
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It would pretty much the same as Son Goku (MSSJ) vs Perfect Cell (Powered Up). Nothing has changed for Son Goku to win except for the Warp Kamehameha, which doubtfully won't work the second time.
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