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Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 11:19 PM (3,207 Views)
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@ Kaioshins

if Good Buu's power is the result of Dai and South. or even Dai and a part of South, then either Dai or South, or both, is at least as strong as SSJ Vegeta.

At the Kid Buu fight, Good Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta

We can say that Good Buu = SSJ2 Vegeta.

If
  • Good Buu = Dai + South, and
  • SSJ2 > 2 * SSJ
then at least one of them is as strong as, or stronger than, SSJ Vegeta. This means that, unless releasing the sword doesn't rely on power, or Gohan had become more powerful that Vegeta after being healed from Buu's attack, one of them should have been more than capable of releasing the sword.

Since it is stated in manga that, not all Kaios, but numerous had tried to release the Z Sword, it's most the possible that many hadn't even bothered to over the many generations (millions of years for each generation).
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Maybe the sword was just meant for the greatest warriors there were in the universe, which would be the saiyans
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The sword wasn't anything special, it was just really heavy. What probably happened was that the Kai's tried, and failed, to free it and then just assumed it was some mythical weapon. After that, the legend probably formed. I think anyone who was strong enough could lift it, it's just that before Gohan nobody was strong enough.
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Nov 8 2011, 01:44 AM
Since it is stated in manga that, not all Kaios, but numerous had tried to release the Z Sword, it's most the possible that many hadn't even bothered to over the many generations (millions of years for each generation).
Yes it says numerous have tried, but why wouldn't South Kai try? For them the sword symbolized something real special, so I think it's obvious that he tried pulling it out. Gohan, a weaker SSJ was able to pull it out so South Kai couldn't be as strong as Vegeta.
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Nov 8 2011, 01:01 AM
I wonder if it's the same lol

Well, it could be. If Boo can't use his power, he pretty much is weakened.
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You said in Buu's guide, it states Southern Kai had no effect on him. Again, if South Kai made Buu stronger when Buu absorbed him then it contradicts statements and clues we have of Kai energy not working or not mixing with Buu's.

It doesn't state SKai had no effect on him. It just doesn't say what effect he had, if he did at all.
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Yeah seeing it more, it kind of does looks like he's just holding it. And it shows a lot, up until he saw the Genki dama, he was never scared or worried. Up until he sees it, and holds it you see him try with everything he's got, at least that's how I saw it.

It still wouldn't make sense for him to be such a douche to Vegeta and Innocent Boo but allow Goku to fight him for so long.
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Weskur
Nov 8 2011, 01:01 AM
I wonder if it's the same lol

Well, it could be. If Boo can't use his power, he pretty much is weakened.
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You said in Buu's guide, it states Southern Kai had no effect on him. Again, if South Kai made Buu stronger when Buu absorbed him then it contradicts statements and clues we have of Kai energy not working or not mixing with Buu's.

It doesn't state SKai had no effect on him. It just doesn't say what effect he had, if he did at all.
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Yeah seeing it more, it kind of does looks like he's just holding it. And it shows a lot, up until he saw the Genki dama, he was never scared or worried. Up until he sees it, and holds it you see him try with everything he's got, at least that's how I saw it.

It still wouldn't make sense for him to be such a douche to Vegeta and Innocent Boo but allow Goku to fight him for so long.
But that's the point, it says nothing. We have evidence that Kai energy does nothing, Shin's energy couldn't revive or help revive Buu and even those associated with Kais like Kibito couldn't even contribute. So how is South Kai different when he is a Kai? Sure he was the strongest of the Kais but for Buu it wouldn't mean nothing. He was weaker than a SSJ, a weak SSJ.

But again, Kid Buu is unpredictable, it doesn't make sense to me either to be honest lol at the end of the day Akira did not plan this, he wrote as story went by.
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Nov 10 2011, 03:05 AM
bizness86
Nov 8 2011, 01:44 AM
Since it is stated in manga that, not all Kaios, but numerous had tried to release the Z Sword, it's most the possible that many hadn't even bothered to over the many generations (millions of years for each generation).
Yes it says numerous have tried, but why wouldn't South Kai try? For them the sword symbolized something real special, so I think it's obvious that he tried pulling it out. Gohan, a weaker SSJ was able to pull it out so South Kai couldn't be as strong as Vegeta.
old link concerning this that I'm guessing you didn't see, or else you probably would have either objected then, or not have objected now.

I suppose a reason that I'd give for South or Dai Kaioshin not attempting to release the sword would be lack of need. We have absolutely no indication of anything that would have possibly threatened the Universe or the existence of the Kaioshin throughout their (or at least Eastkaioshin's) lifetime aside from Majin Buu. Perhaps order was more of a priority than accomplishing feats of power.

The only thing we really know about South Kaioshin was that he was the stronger of the Kaioshin. From that, saying that he would be compelled to attempt is projection. Saying that he'd be proud of his strength can be questioned. Nail was the strongest Namekian on Namek, and was, to what we were shown, humble.

Also, its somewhat easier to assume that over enough generations of Golden-Fruit Shinjin that live millions upon millions of years that some simply did not need to free the sword. There was no reason. They were already, by far, the strongest beings in the Universe, as would have been with South Kaioshin more likely. It's all in that link.

What would you say about what I posted earlier; about
  • Mr. Buu =/= both Kais power in some way, and
  • Mr. Buu < SSJ2 Vegeta?
SEG, if you disagree to both of those, then at least one of the Kaioshin has to be as strong as or stronger than SSJ Vegeta. Math. link
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Shin stated as far as he knew, no one has been able to pull out the Z sword. At the end of the day all we're doing is assuming. We don't know how South Kai really was, weather he was like Nail, or a bit of a show off. All we got is Shin stating no one has been able to pull it out and we'll have to include South Kai. I don't think a time of crises will require them to pull the sword, for them that sword symbolized power, and anyone would have love to try, not to show off but just for trying.
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^ that's the thing. we don't have to include South Kaioshin, and anyone would does not include him, is not wrong for doing so, especially if Mr. Buu was suppose to be of Dai and South Kaioshin's power.
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But why wouldn't we include South Kai when Shin flat out states of what he knew, no one has been able to pull out the sword? He knew South Kai, why not say something like, few have tried and failed? I know it's hard to say if he did but why wouldn't he?
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We're going in circles. What makes South Kaioshin have to try? You just read the link I posted. 15 generations of Kaioshin, Golden-Fruit Shin-jin, and Shin-jin, are a lot of people. That's why Kibit said a lot of people tried. Because a lot of people tried.

You cannot assume South Kaioshin (or Dai Kaioshin) tried, or else East Kaioshin probably would have stated their names exclusively, since he knew them personally :) .
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Well we could assume, just that, our assumptions would just be that, assumptions and not fact lol. I find it hard that he wouldn't have tried though, I mean who wouldn't have wanted to try to release that sword?
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Ok how about another rumor? Well this really isn't a rumor lol but something that I always thought about. Can Piccolo potentially be the strongest character in DBZ? They never state that there is a limit to how many times he can fuse with other Nameks. Crazy question but with if he goes and start fusing with nearly every Namek around? Lol it is a big power boost...
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Nov 10 2011, 06:22 AM
Ok how about another rumor? Well this really isn't a rumor lol but something that I always thought about. Can Piccolo potentially be the strongest character in DBZ? They never state that there is a limit to how many times he can fuse with other Nameks. Crazy question but with if he goes and start fusing with nearly every Namek around? Lol it is a big power boost...
Probably not:

1. The Namekian population is small.
2. There are very few warrior class Namekians. Pretty much all of them are weak compared to Piccolo.
3. Reproducing new Namekians and training them solely to fuse would take longer than simply... training. (it also seems a bit immoral :p )
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Nail compared to Piccolo was nothing and that boost was big lol. What if Piccolo decides...hmm...let me lay a couple eggs, and keep laying and when the time is right, I'll fuse with them..
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