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Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 11:19 PM (3,209 Views)
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Nov 6 2011, 04:35 AM
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Nov 6 2011, 04:04 AM
Now until you can provide me with hard evidence that debunks mines...Kid Buu remains the strongest non fused Buu.
You're obviously extremely biased. Apart from the evidence I have already produced and that you definitely cannot counter [LOL!], I can just use circular logic;

- Goku states at full power he could wipe out Kid Buu.
- Goku states that him and Vegeta are no match for Evil Buu
- SSjin Gotenks (pre RoSaT)>SSjin3 Goku FP.
- SSjin Gotenks, SSjin3 Goku and Evil Buu are the 1st powers to be sensed from the Kaioshin realm.
- Base Gotenks (post RoSaT) >/~ Fat Buu.

SSjin Gotenks (post RoSaT)>>SSjin3 Goku FP

SSjin3 Gotenks>>>SSjin3 Goku FP

Evil Buu>>>SSjin3 Goku FP

Evil Buu~SSjin3 Gotenks

SSjin3 Goku>/~Kid Buu

SSjin3 Goku FP>Kid Buu

Evil Buu>>>Kid Buu

Evil Buu~SSjin3 Gotenks>SSjin Gotenks (post RoSaT)>>SSjin Gotenks (pre RoSaT) >SSjin3 Goku FP>SSjin3 Goku>Kid Buu>base Gotenks post RoSaT>/Fat Buu

Simple as that



Lol biased? Well I used to believe Super Buu was stronger, but again, you still can't answer my questions.

- Like he wasn't fighting all out right from the start? He started with a Kamehameha. He said he was going to start all out if he was going to have a chance.
- No match for Evil Buu or Super Buu?
- Yes...I never denied this...
- Ok?
- Ok...
- Ok, never denied this either..
- Evil Buu>SSJ3 Goku? Yeah when Goku clearly stated he could have beaten Fat Buu?
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This was never stated. Nothing is stated. As I mentioned before they couldn't use Kai energy to revive Buu again, so what's different about South Kai? As I said South Kai certainly wasn't that strong, weaker than a SSJ.

Kai energy couldn't be used because it was so pure and they mess with Boo's system. South Kaioshin turned Boo into a raging monster, and Dai Kaioshin turned him into a jolly fat man. The strongest characteristic from the absorbee is what shows the most when it comes to the Kais - for South it was strength, for Dai it was jolliness.
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If Kid Buu was around Goku's level, or if Goku was even stronger at the moment, why couldn't Goku stop Buu's attack when he blew up Earth? He clearly states it was too much for them and he they couldn't deflect it.

There was no way Goku could've surmised enough chi to block Boo's attack that quickly. It was literally "HERP DERP MAKE PLANET GO BOOM" in seconds.
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Maybe not stronger than Evil Buu, but I do put him around Good Buu.

He'd have to be weaker then. Innocent Boo at least managed to hit Pure Boo, and lasted a while longer, even disregarding regeneration.
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Well again Vegeta says Kid Buu was stronger than he imagined. Then Goku says it would have been no problem if they used the earrings, and that he over did it because he thought he could do better. I mean from what I see, Kid Buu was never really trying at all. The whole fight he's smiling, etc.

Maybe you're thinking of the anime. Pure Boo exerts clear effort and doesn't smile nearly as much in the manga. The point still stands that Goku at full power could've beaten Boo, and it's never contradicted.

By the way, Evil Boo is Super Boo, not the skinny gray one.
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Buu's attack on the earth can't support your argument. Buu couldn't stop Vegeta's attack when he blew himself up. Doesn't mean that Vegeta is stronger. Also Kid Buu was smiling because he's a raving lunatic and that's basically all he does.
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Nov 6 2011, 04:42 AM
Kai energy couldn't be used because it was so pure and they mess with Boo's system. South Kaioshin turned Boo into a raging monster, and Dai Kaioshin turned him into a jolly fat man. The strongest characteristic from the absorbee is what shows the most when it comes to the Kais - for South it was strength, for Dai it was jolliness.

There was no way Goku could've surmised enough chi to block Boo's attack that quickly. It was literally "HERP DERP MAKE PLANET GO BOOM" in seconds.

He'd have to be weaker then. Innocent Boo at least managed to hit Pure Boo, and lasted a while longer, even disregarding regeneration.

Maybe you're thinking of the anime. Pure Boo exerts clear effort and doesn't smile nearly as much in the manga. The point still stands that Goku at full power could've beaten Boo, and it's never contradicted.

By the way, Evil Boo is Super Boo, not the skinny gray one.
Kibito Kai never mentioned South Kai made Buu stronger, it was never stated. We never see "Buff Buu" in action so it'll be hard to say how he acted, etc. But again as you said, Kai energy was so pure it messes with Buu's system. It's like mixing positive energy with negative. Not a good mix.

Well in the manga it didn't seem that fast, as he was forming the ball Goku immediately stated they couldn't stop it. He has transformed SSJ3 fast before, I mean if he could have stopped it I think, he should have.

But again, Kid Buu was not serious at all, I never see him charge up, nothing like that.

I was just looking at the manga, the only times he did not smile was when Goku would attack him, but right away he'll just smile again and attack Goku. And I don't get why people say Goku wasn't at full power. Goku stated he was going to start all out, how is that not full power? All Goku was doing was charging up to get one final blast, similar to what Piccolo did with Raditz.

And yeah I know, but calling Super Buu Evil Buu, which yeah that's who he is, get's a bit confusing because how do you call Evil Buu, the skinny grey one?
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Overall it's pretty much fact that super buu > kid buu. Only part I don't get is the way genkidama makes you tired if you contribute (so it takes from your strength). Apparently multipying enough ki from gohan etc isn't enough to beat kid buu?

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Nov 6 2011, 04:44 AM
Buu's attack on the earth can't support your argument. Buu couldn't stop Vegeta's attack when he blew himself up. Doesn't mean that Vegeta is stronger. Also Kid Buu was smiling because he's a raving lunatic and that's basically all he does.
It's not the same, Fat Buu didn't know what Vegeta was doing, I mean how can you stop that lol. Kid buu unleashed a powerful attack if they would have been strong enough, they could have stopped it. But that's the point, Kid Buu was a lunatic who is unpredictable. I mean again where is the evidence that he was going all out with Goku? He never charges, he was never scared, but as soon as he saw the Genki dama his character changed. It wasn't until he stopped it and started pushing it that he smiled again, thinking he was going to have a chance.
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Nov 6 2011, 04:56 AM
Overall it's pretty much fact that super buu > kid buu. Only part I don't get is the way genkidama makes you tired if you contribute (so it takes from your strength). Apparently multipying enough ki from gohan etc isn't enough to beat kid buu?
Because the genki dama, as the name suggests, only uses genki which is basically life force. If it used all ki, then they could just use the androids as there's is unlimited. It's kind of like how the tri beam affects Tien. That's the way it was explained to me anyway, I could be wrong.
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Overall it's pretty much fact that super buu > kid buu. Only part I don't get is the way genkidama makes you tired if you contribute (so it takes from your strength). Apparently multipying enough ki from gohan etc isn't enough to beat kid buu?
Gohan etc had no where near their full amount of energy to donate to the genki-dama because they had only just been revived;

Goku: “Yo-you’ve just been restored to life. Your ki still ain’t full, is it?!”

@Wesker, there is nothing which supports Kid Buu>Evil Buu and there is tons supporting Evil Buu>>>Kid Buu.

Try to counter my points if you can. If you can't you still haven't proven anything.
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Nov 6 2011, 05:02 AM
Because the genki dama, as the name suggests, only uses genki which is basically life force. If it used all ki, then they could just use the androids as there's is unlimited. It's kind of like how the tri beam affects Tien. That's the way it was explained to me anyway, I could be wrong.
That should be another rumor, there are debates weather or not the Genki dama uses "life force" Where exactly does it state it uses "life force"?
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Nov 6 2011, 05:07 AM
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Because the genki dama, as the name suggests, only uses genki which is basically life force. If it used all ki, then they could just use the androids as there's is unlimited. It's kind of like how the tri beam affects Tien. That's the way it was explained to me anyway, I could be wrong.
That should be another rumor, there are debates weather or not the Genki dama uses "life force" Where exactly does it state it uses "life force"?
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If Ki or Chi is life force energy then what does the Kamehameha uses? Surly it is not the same...
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Nov 6 2011, 05:18 AM
If Ki or Chi is life force energy then what does the Kamehameha uses? Surly it is not the same...
I'm sure it's just the difference between vital Ki and reserve Ki. The Spirit Bomb uses vital Ki, kamehameha uses reserve Ki. Although it's all the same stuff really. There's typically a bigger pool of vital Ki to harness within a given character, that's why the attacks tend to be more devastating.
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Yeah I see what you mean. Ok so how about this rumor...unlimited potential. See some people believe Ultimate Gohan can continue being stronger if he keeps training. I had a debate with a person about this, I gave him evidence that Gohan cannot get stronger, one, he couldn't go SSJ, and two, he did not receive zenkai when Dende restored him. Buutenks made it clear that although he was healed again, he did not get stronger. Wait, listen to this, apparently zenkai was design to make you SSJ, and after SSJ you don't receive zenkai...-__-
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Potential can either be immediate or future. Ultimate Gohan has maximized immediate potential, although his future potential can still grow. As a half-Saiyan, Gohan's zenkai is not as potent as a full-blood (not strong enough to surpass Buutenks, not even noticeable)
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Kid Buu was stronger from Fat Buu after the Kai influence was removed. He was also the most dangerous form because he flat out didn't give a damn about who he hurt, including himself. He wasn't the most powerful, but he was by far the most bent villain period in the anime and manga

Fat buu or Mr Buu was the weakest of any Buu because he got filled with joy, which counteracted his nexus of evil power.

Buff Buu was stronger than Kid Buu because the Kai he absorbed was not shown to be overly good, joyful, or have a love of life so the evil was the dominant characteristic. He just got a power and body boost, while retaining the same wreck ***** mentality because the scales weren't close to balanced in Kid Buus evil nature vs that Kai's good nature

Super Buu was the strongest and most intelligent Buu. He had a mind which allowed him to make strategies, such as absorbing the saiyans and Piccolo.

Hope that helps.
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