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Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 03:42 PM (3,839 Views)
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Well if Krillin truly was stronger than Tien in the Cell saga, it'll be hard to believe his PL was around 1 million.
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Nov 5 2011, 09:16 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 09:14 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
According to one fanslation it says "earthling". Another fanslation says "human". Since the latter doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself it's automatically the better fanslation.
Please, explain how it's the better translation. I'm going to call bias on that.
I'm not saying it's all around the better translation. Just for that specific quote it's a better translation because then gohan gets included inside Yamcha's statement which is obviously wrong.

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illstand1
Nov 5 2011, 09:32 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 09:14 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
According to one fanslation it says "earthling". Another fanslation says "human". Since the latter doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself it's automatically the better fanslation.
Please, explain how it's the better translation. I'm going to call bias on that.
I'm not saying it's all around the better translation. Just for that specific quote it's a better translation because then gohan gets included inside Yamcha's statement which is obviously wrong.
But you don't understand that if he said 'human' then that would contradict the manga EVEN MORE.

Vegeta says that his 'normal' form is human.
Ginyu says that he is human.
Kibito calls Gohan human.

In DB human isn't so much a race, it's more like an order of being or 'type' of being.
I already shown you the thread from DaizEX which was made by thee most reliable 'fanslator' out there.
The only 'non-humans' in the DB world are;

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Gods and their attendants
---God of Earth, Mister Popo, Kaios, Kaioshins, Kibito, etc

Demons
---Piccolo Daimao, Tambourine, Majin Boo, etc

Animals
---Sea Turtle, Oozaru Saiyans, Yakon (kind of a crossover between “animal” and “demon”), etc

Androids
---Nos.17, 18, Cell, etc


Although I don't see why Yamcha's quote should mean that Krillin>Tenshinhan, I don't see how 'human' is any better than 'Earthling'.

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Nov 5 2011, 09:26 PM
Well if Krillin truly was stronger than Tien in the Cell saga, it'll be hard to believe his PL was around 1 million.
That's up to opinion.

I see Coco responding, so just a precautionary warning to anybody: Don't turn this into another heated "earthling/human/KrillinTien" debate. Keep it civil, or I will hand out warnings.
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Well Akira from what I heard had stated he never planed DBZ out, he just wrote the story as he went. Tien only appears three or five times in the Buu saga..
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Nov 5 2011, 09:51 PM
Well Akira from what I heard had stated he never planed DBZ out, he just wrote the story as he went. Tien only appears three or five times in the Buu saga..
That's true, but how does that mean the humans have to be below 1mil? I'm not against your opinion, just asking.
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Having the humans that low is ridiculous imo. By the Android arc even Yamcha's resting Ki was considered a good source of power.
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I don't see the Humans growing that much in power. I mean by the Cell saga, both Krillin and Tien do nothing. Only Tien does something, and that's holding Semi-Cell down.
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Nov 5 2011, 09:59 PM
I don't see the Humans growing that much in power. I mean by the Cell saga, both Krillin and Tien do nothing. Only Tien does something, and that's holding Semi-Cell down.
You have to also take into consideration that Super Saiyan levels of power and beyond were necessary for anything.
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So Yamcha was uber weak sauce yet 20 believed he was a good source of power? Unlikely.
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I don't think you have to be over 1 million to be a good source of energy lol
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Nov 5 2011, 09:47 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 09:32 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 09:14 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
According to one fanslation it says "earthling". Another fanslation says "human". Since the latter doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself it's automatically the better fanslation.
Please, explain how it's the better translation. I'm going to call bias on that.
I'm not saying it's all around the better translation. Just for that specific quote it's a better translation because then gohan gets included inside Yamcha's statement which is obviously wrong.
But you don't understand that if he said 'human' then that would contradict the manga EVEN MORE.

Vegeta says that his 'normal' form is human.
Ginyu says that he is human.
Kibito calls Gohan human.

In DB human isn't so much a race, it's more like an order of being or 'type' of being.
I already shown you the thread from DaizEX which was made by thee most reliable 'fanslator' out there.
The only 'non-humans' in the DB world are;

Quote:
 
Gods and their attendants
---God of Earth, Mister Popo, Kaios, Kaioshins, Kibito, etc

Demons
---Piccolo Daimao, Tambourine, Majin Boo, etc

Animals
---Sea Turtle, Oozaru Saiyans, Yakon (kind of a crossover between “animal” and “demon”), etc

Androids
---Nos.17, 18, Cell, etc


Although I don't see why Yamcha's quote should mean that Krillin>Tenshinhan, I don't see how 'human' is any better than 'Earthling'.

@KP, HUSH YOU!
Please locate where vegeta calls himself a human in the "fanslation" I posted. Mixing fanslations will cause nothing but problems.

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Nov 5 2011, 10:07 PM
I don't think you have to be over 1 million to be a good source of energy lol
19 and 20 use absorptions to gain power.
Supporting quotes;

No.20: “At any rate, we’ll be able to obtain a large amount of energy.”

Yamcha: “Th-this is bad! If I don’t tell Goku and the others…! Th-those guys suck out your power…!”

Context: after seeing that Gohan, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn had followed him
No.20: “If I collect their energy and add it to my own, I’ll be able to win against Vegeta!”

No.20: “Don’t interfere, he says…Kukkukkuh…Alright, if I drain [Piccolo]'s energy again, then [I’ll win] against Vegeta…”

No.20: “Alright! No.19’s maximum power rating has greatly increased from what it was before! In contrast, Son Goku’s energy has fallen remarkably…!”

Context: when No.19 asks to fight Vegeta
No.20: “You’re so greedy…Even though you sucked so much energy out of Son Goku, and have raised your absolute power…”

Vegeta: “I see, so you really do suck energy out with your hands, huh? And then you add that energy to your own…”



The most interesting one there is;
Context: after seeing that Gohan, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, and Kuririn had followed him
No.20: “If I collect their energy and add it to my own, I’ll be able to win against Vegeta!”

20 didn't consider Tenshinhan, Krillin and Gohan non-factors.

When you look at that quote in conjunction with;
No.20: “Don’t interfere, he says…Kukkukkuh…Alright, if I drain [Piccolo]'s energy again, then [I’ll win] against Vegeta…”

.. then that must mean that all of them combine must be either > or ~ Piccolo's resting Ki and remember Tenshinhan and co were only displaying their resting Ki's as well.

All things considered Tenshinhan, Krillin and Gohan could all be >10, 20 or even 30 million.

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Nov 5 2011, 10:21 PM
Please locate where vegeta calls himself a human in the "fanslation" I posted. Mixing fanslations will cause nothing but problems.
Why? The fanslations kicking around are terrible according to Herms. You are asking me to look in a bucket of ***** when I could just look in a bucket of gold instead.
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Nov 5 2011, 10:31 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 10:21 PM
Please locate where vegeta calls himself a human in the "fanslation" I posted. Mixing fanslations will cause nothing but problems.
Why? The fanslations kicking around are terrible according to Herms. You are asking me to look in a bucket of ***** when I could just look in a bucket of gold instead.
If you don't it'll be taken out of context. The argument is that in this situation there's a fanslator that has a translation that doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself. To say that the fanslator does contradict themselves but in someone else's fanslation is just... foolish. Lol.

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