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Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 03:42 PM (3,840 Views)
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Actually even some Tien fans believe that after the Namek saga Krillin was stronger until the end of the android saga. There isn't anything to say in the manga that during the Saiyan saga Tien > Krillin either. Even if there is a gap it'd be like a 50 PL gap nothing more.

You can only gain so much through training until you need a potential release like Vegeta realized he needed to get back on par with Goku. Real experience fighting the ginyu force, freeza etc, is a lot better than can ever be achieved through training alone. Then again that's not conclusive since we don't know how much Tien progressed. Maybe he pulled a miracle. Since Tien's strength wasn't shown it's unfair to make the guess that Krillin is stronger even though all he got to was "train".

There's even a theory that Krillin's source of strength to surpass all the humans was the fact that he stayed with saiyans for so long and he leeched some of their strength. The theory stems from whether Guru's potential was some type of timed unlock which was never stated or Krillin actually got a saiyan Zenkai (also never stated).

But again I get it, just saying factually neither is stronger without that statement in the 25th.
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Well in the very beginning it was:

Krillin: 206
Tien: 250

Then when Vegeta and Nappa came it became

Krillin: 1500
Tien: 1800

This is why I assumed Tien would have been stronger all the time. They both trained together in Kami's Lookout and Tien went even higher than Krillin. Then goes to train with 10x the gravity. Both Tien and Krillin never did much in the Cell saga either actually, but I see what you mean. And really? There's a theory like that? Lol wow, well at the end theories and rumors will remain that. Never heard of that one though.
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Nov 5 2011, 06:54 PM
So...Tien who was stronger than Krillin, goes to King Kai trains in 10x the gravity for like, 2 years I think, was not stronger than Krillin by the Cell saga? I understand what you mean, Tien wasn't shown to do many things, though he did stop Semi-Cell for a while, doubt that Krillin would have done that. I'm just using common sense though. Saiyans have an excuse to get stronger faster, Tien and Krillin are both Humans. Tien has always trained harder, it's logical he's always stronger than Krillin.
Krillin had his potential released by Guru, which sent him into the low-mid hundred thousands -- at least 250k. Tenshinhan may have trained in 10G for about 260 days, but he started at ~1800. For him to end up stronger than Krillin by the time Freeza dies, Ten would've had to have multiplied his power by at least 130x, which is an immense feat to accomplish, even with special training like Kaio's.

Krillin couldn't stop Semi-Perfect Cell because he didn't have any kiai-type attacks like Ten did. All he had was the Kienzan, and that's a cutting attack.

Tenshinhan training "harder" than Krillin is crap. Ten may have trained more, but training "harder" as a fact is complete opinion.
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Well isn't that number just a guess though? 250k? Where exactly does it state this in the manga? Either way, I just don't believe Krillin touched 1 million.
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Just want to add that Tien didn't spend 2 years with King Kai. He spent less than a year.

If you want to be technical, Krillin put out more power versus the saiyans than Tien did. Krillin by the time he and Gohan got to Namek after image training, made their powers spike to 1500 and then blip back off the radar in an instant, implying that wasn't close to their full levels. Krillin got his potential unlocked and fought the Ginyu Force. He was well over 20K by the time he met Ginyu in Goku's body, because Vegeta say he and Gohan both were holding back to not hurt Goku's body. He was mentioned as being a help versus Frieza and that his power was still growing, so he had to be well into the 6 figures and around what Goku put out with kaioken at least, imo.

As a whole in DBZ, Krillin is far mroe relevant than the other human fighters. He simply was on the frontlines and right there with the saiyans and Piccolo. He was the only human intending to fight Cell at the Cell Games. He went off with the others versus Babadi, and didn't get scared when Kai mentioned how Frieza was fodder to what they would be dealing with, or fear the sight of Pui Pui, just Dabura scared him. Then there is the Yamcha comment that is set in stone, whether people like it or not.

If and when you factor in the anime of DBZ and/or DBZ Kai, as well as the movie, they out right show Krillin as being more important and useful than the other Z fighters.
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What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
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Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
Yeah basically. He thought it to himself though.
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Kblo247
Nov 5 2011, 08:52 PM
Just want to add that Tien didn't spend 2 years with King Kai. He spent less than a year.

If you want to be technical, Krillin put out more power versus the saiyans than Tien did. Krillin by the time he and Gohan got to Namek after image training, made their powers spike to 1500 and then blip back off the radar in an instant, implying that wasn't close to their full levels. Krillin got his potential unlocked and fought the Ginyu Force. He was well over 20K by the time he met Ginyu in Goku's body, because Vegeta say he and Gohan both were holding back to not hurt Goku's body. He was mentioned as being a help versus Frieza and that his power was still growing, so he had to be well into the 6 figures and around what Goku put out with kaioken at least, imo.

As a whole in DBZ, Krillin is far mroe relevant than the other human fighters. He simply was on the frontlines and right there with the saiyans and Piccolo. He was the only human intending to fight Cell at the Cell Games. He went off with the others versus Babadi, and didn't get scared when Kai mentioned how Frieza was fodder to what they would be dealing with, or fear the sight of Pui Pui, just Dabura scared him. Then there is the Yamcha comment that is set in stone, whether people like it or not.

If and when you factor in the anime of DBZ and/or DBZ Kai, as well as the movie, they out right show Krillin as being more important and useful than the other Z fighters.
Yeah I think I made a mistake, the manga says 130, but that's because they used Porunga. And Krillin put out more power? Because Tien died faster? I didn't see Krillin put out more than Tien. Weather he was more relevant or not, by the Cell saga neither of them fought much, so they both never showed their true capabilities.
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Krillin's shot to kill off the saibabmen and aimed at the saiyans was more powerful than anything that Tien put out. He didn't even have to put his life force into the attack to do so, like Tien's Neo Tribeam for example
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Nov 5 2011, 08:35 PM
Well isn't that number just a guess though? 250k? Where exactly does it state this in the manga? Either way, I just don't believe Krillin touched 1 million.
It's a theory one of members Lunar came up with. Even after all this time, I still don't remember it in-depth. >_< Ginyu said a power of 60k was enough to take out the G-Force, and we know they're all above 30k. They fit snuggly in between Vegeta and Goku at 39-45k (50% stronger than Vegeta, 33% weaker than Goku at most). 45k is 2/3 of 60k, so from that we can garner that for you to be relevant, you need to be at least in the 2/3 range.

Onto the Freeza fight. Vegeta said that with Krillin and Gohan's help, they could beat Freeza. Freeza started at 530k, so 2/3 of that would be 397.5k. They had to be close to Vegeta in power, going by that.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!”
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Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
According to one fanslation it says "earthling". Another fanslation says "human". Since the latter doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself it's automatically the better fanslation.

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Nov 5 2011, 09:14 PM
Victorious
Nov 5 2011, 08:53 PM
What exactly does Yamcha say about Krillin at the 25th Budokai? Didnt he say Krillin was the strongest Earthling or something?
According to one fanslation it says "earthling". Another fanslation says "human". Since the latter doesn't cause the manga to contradict itself it's automatically the better fanslation.
Please, explain how it's the better translation. I'm going to call bias on that.
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Nov 5 2011, 09:10 PM
Weskur
Nov 5 2011, 08:35 PM
Well isn't that number just a guess though? 250k? Where exactly does it state this in the manga? Either way, I just don't believe Krillin touched 1 million.
It's a theory one of members Lunar came up with. Even after all this time, I still don't remember it in-depth. >_< Ginyu said a power of 60k was enough to take out the G-Force, and we know they're all above 30k. They fit snuggly in between Vegeta and Goku at 39-45k (50% stronger than Vegeta, 33% weaker than Goku at most). 45k is 2/3 of 60k, so from that we can garner that for you to be relevant, you need to be at least in the 2/3 range.

Onto the Freeza fight. Vegeta said that with Krillin and Gohan's help, they could beat Freeza. Freeza started at 530k, so 2/3 of that would be 397.5k. They had to be close to Vegeta in power, going by that.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!”
But with that Vegeta quote, it seems to me like he wasn't sure.
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Nov 5 2011, 09:18 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 09:10 PM
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Nov 5 2011, 08:35 PM
Well isn't that number just a guess though? 250k? Where exactly does it state this in the manga? Either way, I just don't believe Krillin touched 1 million.
It's a theory one of members Lunar came up with. Even after all this time, I still don't remember it in-depth. >_< Ginyu said a power of 60k was enough to take out the G-Force, and we know they're all above 30k. They fit snuggly in between Vegeta and Goku at 39-45k (50% stronger than Vegeta, 33% weaker than Goku at most). 45k is 2/3 of 60k, so from that we can garner that for you to be relevant, you need to be at least in the 2/3 range.

Onto the Freeza fight. Vegeta said that with Krillin and Gohan's help, they could beat Freeza. Freeza started at 530k, so 2/3 of that would be 397.5k. They had to be close to Vegeta in power, going by that.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!”
But with that Vegeta quote, it seems to me like he wasn't sure.
They've never fought as a team before, so I think he was just allowing room for any kind of win to happen.
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He knew Frieza could transform. He didn't know he could do it three times or how much he and his power would change though. That explains the we can win somehow or another comment.

And as pyro said, those 3 never worked together before. They didn't even fight as a team versus the Ginyu Force, just took turns, and interfered when the other was in danger.
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