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| Mr. Blonde | Nov 5 2011, 03:42 PM Post #1 |
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Hey guys, since power level lists are making a comeback, I thought I'd post mine. This is the most recent one from a year or two ago, and it's been tinkered with a fair bit lately, so there might be a few inconsistencies I missed. Just a few things to make sure this thread doesn't devolve into a flame fest: - I deliberately ignored the Daiz and SEG multipliers and only used a handful of their numbers for reference. - I believe Krillin > Tenshinhan after the Freeza arc for a variety of reasons. I also believe SSj Goten > Goku and Base Gohan > Piccolo in the Boo arc. I've had a lot of debates over all of these and they invariably erupt into flame wars, so don't bother trying to change my mind. Feel free to comment on the distance, though. - Similar to the above, I believe that Kid Boo is not the strongest Boo, Goku's uncertainty over the Genki Dama was over its past failures, and Boo was able to push the Genki Dama back because he was pure evil. Once again, I've had a lot of flame wars over Kid Boo's strength in relation to the other Boos, so don't try to change my mind. - I believe the SSj multiplier decreases over time, not because of any hokey mathematics, but because after a certain point the SSj and base states become independent of each other in the plot. If it was feasible I would keep a consistent SSj multiplier throughout the series. With that out of the way, on to the list! Difference Ratios 1.00 - 1.04= even fight The fight can go either way. 1.04 - 1.08 = mild advantage in a fistfight The weaker fighter can still hold their own. 1.08 - 1.12 = domination in a fistfight with some effort The weaker fighter can put up a fight with significant effort. 1.12 - 1.18 = domination in a fistfight with mild effort The weaker fighter can barely put up a fight. 1.18 - 1.24 = one-hit kill with significant effort The weaker fighter can't put up a fight. 1.24 - 1.30 = one-hit kill with mild effort The weaker fighter should run. 1.30+ = one-hit kill with no effort The weaker fighter is screwed. SAIYAN ARC Son Goku & Piccolo vs. Raditz Goku (weighted): 334 Goku (weights off): 416 Goku (Kamehameha): 924 Goku (weakened): 312 Goku (impaled): 1 Piccolo (weighted): 322 Piccolo (weights off): 408 Piccolo (wounded): 380 Piccolo (Makankôsappô, first attempt): 1330 Piccolo (drained): 255 Piccolo (Makankôsappô, second attempt): 1020 Raditz (relaxed): 750 Raditz (warming up): 1000 Raditz (full power): 1250 Raditz (weakened): 375 Raditz (impaled): 1 Gohan: 3 Gohan (upset): 710 Gohan (enraged): 1307 Gohan (drained): 1 The Morning After Muten Rôshi: 139 Kuririn: 206 Yamcha: 177 Tenshinhan: 250 Piccolo (weighted): 329 Battle with Nappa Piccolo (suppressed): 1220 Piccolo (full power): 2250 Gohan (suppressed): 981 Gohan (enraged): 2500 Gohan (Masenko): 2800 Kuririn (suppressed): 1083 Kuririn (full power): 1500 Kuririn (Kakusandan): 1600 Kuririn (Kamehameha): 2000 Yamcha: 1280 Yamcha (Kamehameha): 1350 Tenshinhan: 1800 Tenshinhan (blood loss): 600 Tenshinhan (one-handed Kikôhô): 2430 Chaozu: 800 Chaozu (Jibaku): 1750 Cultivars: 1200 Nappa (relaxed): 2000 Nappa (powered up): 3000 Nappa (full power & angry): 7200 Nappa (full power & calm): 7800 Nappa (mouth blast): 10,400 Vegeta (relaxed): 2500 Vegeta (powered up): 16,875 Goku (suppressed): 5000 Goku (full power): 8100 Goku (Kamehameha): 10,800 Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 16,200 Battle with Vegeta Goku: 8100 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x2): 16,200 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x3): 24,300 Goku (tired post Kaiô-Ken x3) 6750 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x3 Kamehameha): 27,000 [steadily declining] Goku (Kaiô-Ken x4 Kamehameha): 32,000 [rapidly declining] Goku (drained post-Kamehameha): 2250 Goku (drained, Kaiô-Ken): 4500 Goku (Genki Dama): 75,000 Goku (after dropping the Genki Dama): 150 Goku (exhausted): 10 Goku (paralysed): 2 Vegeta (holding back): 8640 Vegeta (increased effort): 15,000 Vegeta (more effort): 16,875 Vegeta (full power): 18,000 Vegeta (injured): 13,500 Vegeta (Garlic Gun): 27,000 Vegeta (post beam duel): 6750 Vegeta (after power ball): 5400 Vegeta (Oozaru): 54,000 Vegeta (weakened post-Oozaru): 2700 Vegeta (hit by Genki Dama): 750 Vegeta (exhausted): 500 Vegeta (crushed by Oozaru Gohan): 3 Gohan (enraged against Vegeta): 2500 [steadily declining] Gohan (weakened against Vegeta): 150 Gohan (Oozaru): 1500 Kuririn: 1500 Kuririn (injured): 450 Kuririn (remaining Genki Dama): 3150 Yajirobe: 900 FREEZA ARC Arrival on Namek Gohan (suppressed): 250 Gohan (full power): 1485 Kuririn (weighted & suppressed): 250 Kuririn (weighted & unsuppressed): 1500 Kuririn (weights off & full power): 1875 Vegeta (suppressed): 16,000 Vegeta (full power): 24,000 Freeza’s scouts: 900 Freeza’s soldiers: 800-2000 Kiwi: 18,000 Dodoria: 20,250 Zarbon: 21,600 Namek Warriors (suppressed): 1000 Namek Warriors (full power): 3000 Freeza (relaxed): 265,000 Vegeta vs. Zarbon Vegeta: 24,000 Vegeta (3rd Zenkai): 30,000 Zarbon: 21,600 Zarbon (transformed): 30,375 Zarbon (transformed, weakened): 27,000 Freeza (relaxed): 265,000 Appule: 1500 Kuririn (suppressed): 250 Kuririn (unlocked potential): 7500 Nail (suppressed): 6000 Battle with the Ginyu Force Gohan (suppressed): 1500 Gohan (unlocked potential): 14,000 Gohan (Zenkai, suppressed): 32,000 Kuririn (suppressed): 1500 Kuririn (powered up): 13,000 Kuririn (healed, suppressed): 24,750 Vegeta (suppressed): 6000 Vegeta (full power): 30,000 Vegeta (3rd Zenkai, holding back): 60,000 Gurd: 10,000 Reacoom: 45,000 Reacoom (Eraser Gun): 60,000 Butta: 45,000 Jheece: 45,000 Jheece (Crusher Ball): 54,000 Captain Ginyu (suppressed): 67,500 Captain Ginyu (powered up): 72,000 Captain Ginyu (full power): 120,000 Captain Ginyu (in Goku’s body): 23,000 Goku (suppressed): 5000 Goku (short bursts): 67,500 Goku (full power): 90,000 Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 180,000 Nail vs. Freeza Nail (suppressed): 6000 Nail (full power): 42,000 Nail (after regenerating): 35,000 Nail (injured & exhausted): 700 Freeza (suppressed): 265,000 Battle with Freeza Freeza (1st form, suppressed): 265,000 Freeza (1st form, full power): 530,000 Freeza (2nd form): 1,060,000 Freeza (2nd form & powered up): 1,250,000 Freeza (2nd form & full power): 1,440,000 Freeza (3rd form): 2,250,000 Freeza (true form): 3,000,000 Vegeta (full power): 500,000 Vegeta (4th Zenkai): 2,400,000 Gohan: 150,000 [rapidly increasing] Gohan (enraged): 1,200,000 Gohan (Zenkai, maxed out): 450,000 Gohan (Bakurikimaha): 2,304,000 Kuririn: 125,000 [rapidly increasing] Kuririn (maxed out): 250,000 Piccolo (weighted): 6400 Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 8000 Piccolo (fused with Nail & weighted): 1,280,000 Piccolo (fused with Nail, weights off): 1,600,000 Son Goku vs. Freeza Freeza (warming up): 3,000,000 Freeza (increased effort): 4,000,000 Freeza (3%, without hands): 4,320,000 Freeza (50% of true power): 72,000,000 Freeza (50%, weakened by the Genki Dama): 60,000,000 Freeza (70% of true power): 100,800,000 Freeza (100% of true power): 144,000,000 [steadily declining] Freeza (100%, Chi barrier): 225,000,000 Freeza (100% & strained post-Chi barrier): 125,000,000 [rapidly declining] Freeza (100% & exhausted): 120,000,000 [rapidly declining] Goku (warming up): 3,000,000 Goku (full power): 3,750,000 Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 7,500,000 Goku (tiring): 3,375,000 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x10): 33,750,000 Goku (weakened): 2,400,000 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x20): 48,000,000 Goku (Kaiô-Ken x20 Kamehameha): 72,000,000 Goku (drained post Kaiô-Ken x20): 1,200,000 Goku (further injured): 960,000 Goku (Genki Dama): 81,000,000 Goku (exhausted post Genki-Dama): 480,000 Goku (refreshed by transformation): 3,750,000 SSj Goku: 150,000,000 SSj Goku (Kamehameha): 225,000,000 SSj Goku (drained post Kamehameha): 135,000,000 Goku (battle worn): 3,375,000 CELL ARC The Future Mirai Gohan: 3,000,000 SSj Mirai Gohan: 120,000,000 Mirai Trunks (14): 62,500 SSj Mirai Trunks: 2,500,000 Mirai Trunks (17): 3,750,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 150,000,000 Mirai #18: 384,000,000 Mirai #17: 432,000,000 Arrival of Mirai Trunks Vegeta: 3,200,000 Piccolo (weighted): 2,500,000 Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 3,125,000 Gohan: 400,000 Kuririn: 270,000 Tenshinhan: 125,000 Yamcha: 80,000 Chaozu: 50,000 Freeza (cybernetic enhancements): 4,500,000 Freeza (cybernetic enhancements, 100%, never seen): 162,000,000 King Cold (suppressed): 5,000,000 King Cold (full power, never seen): 125,000,000 Mirai Trunks (suppressed): 5 Mirai Trunks (full power): 3,750,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 150,000,000 Goku: 4,500,000 SSj Goku: 180,000,000 Battle with #19 & #20 Goku: 12,000,000 SSj Goku (full power, not seen): 360,000,000 SSj Goku (heart disease taking effect): 240,000,000 [steadily declining] SSj Goku (Kamehameha): 260,000,000 SSj Goku (post Kamehameha): 160,000,000 [rapidly declining] SSj Goku (exhausted): 75,000,000 [rapidly declining] Goku (extreme heart disease effects): 2,500,000 [rapidly declining] Vegeta: 12,500,000 SSj Vegeta: 375,000,000 SSj Vegeta (Chi drained by #19): 300,000,000 SSj Vegeta (Big Bang attack): 450,000,000 SSj Vegeta (exhausted): 150,000,000 Vegeta (exhausted): 5,000,000 Piccolo (weighted & relaxed): 60,000,000 Piccolo (weighted & suppressed): 15,000,000 Piccolo (weighted & drained): 5,000,000 Piccolo (weighted & unsuppressed): 216,000,000 Piccolo (weights off & full power): 270,000,000 Gohan: 10,000,000 Kuririn: 1,350,000 Tenshinhan: 750,000 Yamcha: 360,000 #19: 160,000,000 #19 (Kamehameha absorbed): 180,000,000 #19 (Vegeta’s Chi absorbed): 255,000,000 #20: 200,000,000 #20 (Yamcha’s Chi absorbed): 200,099,970 #20 (Vegeta’s blast absorbed): 215,000,000 #20 (Piccolo’s Chi absorbed): 225,000,000 Battle with #17 & #18 Vegeta: 12,500,000 SSj Vegeta: 375,000,000 [steadily declining] Mirai Trunks: 10,800,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 324,000,000 Piccolo: 270,000,000 Kuririn: 1,350,000 Tenshinhan: 750,000 #18 (holding back): 400,000,000 [steadily increasing] #18 (full effort): 480,000,000 #17: 540,000,000 #16: 750,000,000 Piccolo vs. Cell Incomplete Cell (suppressed): 200,000,000 Incomplete Cell (full power): 432,000,000 Incomplete Cell (Kamehameha): 500,000,000 Piccolo (weighted & suppressed): 150,000,000 Piccolo (reunited, weighted & suppressed,): 300,000,000 Piccolo (reunited, weighted & powered up): 486,000,000 Piccolo (reunited, weighted, after regenerating): 468,750,000 Vegeta: 12,500,000 Mirai Trunks: 10,800,000 Kuririn: 1,350,000 Tenshinhan: 750,000 Piccolo vs. the Cyborgs vs. Cell Piccolo (weights off & full power): 540,000,000 Piccolo (full power & tiring): 500,000,000 Piccolo (exhausted & wounded): 300,000,000 Piccolo (Gekiretsu Kôdan): 675,000,000 #17 (holding back): 480,000,000 #17 (full effort): 540,000,000 Incomplete Cell (relaxed): 600,000,000 Incomplete Cell (powered up): 750,000,000 Incomplete Cell (full power): 810,000,000 #16: 750,000,000 #16 (Hell’s Flash): 900,000,000 #18: 480,000,000 Vegeta & Mirai Trunks vs. Cell Semi-Complete Cell (relaxed): 1,250,000,000 Semi-Complete Cell (full power): 1,500,000,000 Complete Cell (suppressed): 1,920,000,000 Complete Cell (getting serious): 2,880,000,000 Complete Cell (increased muscle mass): 4,320,000,000 Tenshinhan: 900,000 Tenshinhan (Shin-Kikôhô): 1,200,000,000 Vegeta: 67,500,000 SSj Vegeta: 1,350,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta: 2,025,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (tiring): 1,875,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (Final Flash): 3,750,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (drained): 1,500,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (injured & exhausted): 1,200,000,000 Mirai Trunks: 60,000,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 1,200,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks: 1,800,000,000 SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks: 2,700,000,000 SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (full power): 3,600,000,000 [steadily declining] #18: 480,000,000 #16: 750,000,000 The Cell Games First Match: Mr. Satan vs. Cell Complete Cell: 2,880,000,000 Mr. Satan: 9 Second Match: Son Goku vs. Cell Complete Cell (warming up): 2,880,000,000 Complete Cell (powered up): 8,640,000,000 Complete Cell (post-regeneration): 3,750,000,000 Complete Cell (barrier): 5,000,000,000 Goku: 2,025,000,000 SSj Goku (warming up): 2,880,000,000 SSj Goku (full power): 8,100,000,000 SSj Goku (Instantaneous Kamehameha): 12,000,000,000 SSj Goku (drained post-Kamehameha): 3,600,000,000 [steadily declining] SSj Goku (rapid Chi blasts): 4,320,000,000 SSj Goku (exhausted): 2,700,000,000 Third Match: Son Gohan vs. Cell Complete Cell: 8,640,000,000 Gohan: 2,500,000,000 SSj Gohan (weighted & suppressed): 3,200,000,000 SSj Gohan (weights off & full power): 10,000,000,000 Intermission: Z-Fighters vs. Cell Jrs Cell Jr.: 5,000,000,000 Vegeta: 400,000,000 SSj Vegeta: 4,800,000,000 SS 2nd Grade Vegeta (not seen): 7,200,000,000 Mirai Trunks: 375,000,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 4,500,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 6,750,000,000 SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 13,500,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 1,080,000,000 Piccolo (weights off): 1,350,000,000 #16: 750,000,000 Kuririn: 1,500,000 Tenshinhan: 800,000 Yamcha: 400,000 Third Match resumed: Son Gohan vs. Cell Complete Cell (100%): 16,000,000,000 Complete Cell (post-regeneration): 12,000,000,000 Complete Cell (increased muscle mass): 18,000,000,000 Semi-Complete Cell: 1,350,000,000 Perfect Cell: 27,000,000,000 Perfect Cell (Kamehameha): 54,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan (injured & distressed): 15,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan (injured & determined): 24,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan (Kamehameha, mild effort): 50,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan (Kamehameha, maximum effort): 67,500,000,000 The Last Z-Warrior Mirai Trunks: 375,000,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 4,500,000,000 Mirai #18: 320,000,000 Mirai #17: 360,000,000 Mirai Trunks (3 years later): 400,000,000 SSj Mirai Trunks: 5,000,000,000 SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 7,500,000,000 SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 15,000,000,000 Incomplete Cell (suppressed): 5 Incomplete Cell (full power): 400,000,000 BOO ARC The Great Saiyaman Gohan: 1,875,000,000 SSj Gohan (relaxed): 3,000,000,000 SSj Gohan (full power): 7,500,000,000 Goten: 350,000,000 SSj Goten (relaxed): 2,800,000,000 SSj Goten (full power): 4,200,000,000 Chibi Trunks: 360,000,000 SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,320,000,000 Vegeta: 2,250,000,000 SSj Vegeta: 9,000,000,000 SSj2 Vegeta (not seen): 45,000,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 960,000,000 Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 1,200,000,000 Kuririn: 1,200,000 #18: 480,000,000 Videl: 10 Mr. Satan: 8 25th Tenka’ichi Budôkai Gohan: 2,000,000,000 SSj Gohan: 8,000,000,000 SSj2 Gohan: 40,000,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 Vegeta: 2,400,000,000 Goten: 375,000,000 SSj Goten: 4,500,000,000 Chibi Trunks: 384,000,000 SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,608,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000 Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 1,250,000,000 Kuririn: 1,200,000 Yamcha: 320,000 #18: 480,000,000 Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000 Kibit: 500,000,000 Yamu: 100 Spopovich: 100 Videl: 12 Mr. Satan: 8 Awakening of Majin Boo Pipi: 1,600,000,000 Yakon: 3,375,000,000 Dabra (against Gohan): 8,100,000,000 Dabra (full power): 9,000,000,000 Vegeta: 2,400,000,000 SSj Vegeta: 9,600,000,000 SSj Majin Vegeta: 11,520,000,000 SSj2 Majin Vegeta: 57,600,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000 SSj2 Goku: 57,600,000,000 Gohan: 2,000,000,000 SSj Gohan: 8,000,000,000 Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000 Kibit: 500,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000 Kuririn: 1,200,000 Majin Boo: 8,000,000,000 Majin Boo (angry against Dabra): 75,000,000,000 Majin Boo (enraged against Majin Vegeta): 200,000,000,000 Majin Boo Unleashed Majin Boo: 200,000,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000 SSj2 Goku: 57,600,000,000 SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000 Goten: 375,000,000 SSj Goten: 4,500,000,000 Chibi Trunks: 384,000,000 SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,608,000,000 Gotenks: 72,000,000,000 SSj Gotenks: 288,000,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000 Mr. Satan: 8 Mr. Boo: 80,000,000,000 Evil Boo: 120,000,000,000 Super Boo: 600,000,000,000 Gotenks vs. Super Boo Super Boo: 600,000,000,000 Goten: 500,000,000 SSj Goten: 6,000,000,000 Chibi Trunks: 500,000,000 SSj Chibi Trunks: 6,000,000,000 Gotenks: 96,000,000,000 SSj Gotenks: 384,000,000,000 SSj3 Gotenks: 576,000,000,000 Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000 Son Gohan vs. Super Boo Super Boo: 600,000,000,000 Super Boo (with SSj3 Gotenks): 1,177,000,000,000 Gohan: 2,000,000,000 Ultimate Gohan (suppressed): 250,000,000,000 Ultimate Gohan (full power): 800,000,000,000 Tenshinhan: 1,000,000 Tenshinhan (Shin-Kikôhô): 2,400,000,000 Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000 Kibit: 500,000,000 Kibitoshin: 50,000,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000 Vegetto vs. Super Boo Super Boo (with Piccolo): 602,000,000,000 Super Boo (with Ultimate Gohan): 1,402,000,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 Vegeta: 2,400,000,000 Vegetto: 750,000,000,000 SSj Vegetto: 3,000,000,000,000 Battle with Chibi Boo Mega Boo: 750,000,000,000 Chibi Boo: 270,000,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000,000 SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000 SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000 [rapidly declining] SSj3 Goku (exhausted): 240,000,000,000 Vegeta: 2,400,000,000 SSj Vegeta: 9,600,000,000 SSj2 Vegeta: 48,000,000,000 SSj2 Vegeta (injured) 32,000,000,000 Vegeta (injured): 1,600,000,000 Vegeta (injured & exhausted): 1,000,000,000 Mr. Boo: 80,000,000,000 Mr. Boo (injured): 60,000,000,000 [steadily declining] Mr. Boo (exhausted): 30,000,000,000 [steadily declining] Mr. Satan: 8 Edited by Mr. Blonde, Nov 5 2011, 05:27 PM.
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| + supersaqer | Nov 5 2011, 04:09 PM Post #2 |
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Most of your Power Levels are wrong in my opinion, but you did a great job making this list. Raditz should be at 1,200 in relaxed form and 1,500 in enraged form. Krillin should be at 1,500 in relaxed form and 13,000 after his potential unlocked. |
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| Mr. Blonde | Nov 5 2011, 04:41 PM Post #3 |
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Heh, thanks. Feel free to correct me, I just put those disclaimers in there to prevent the usual NO U flaming. Also, I ignored supplemental numbers because quite a few of them are contradictory. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 5 2011, 04:52 PM Post #4 |
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Ginyu didn't power-up to fight Goku until he went to full power. Before that, he had a slight edge on Goku. ==== SSjin Future Trunks (14) should be equal to or under Base Future Gohan. Gohan was handling him with one hand, bro. ==== Piccolo and Vegeta should be a lot closer when Trunks arrives. The two were about to get into it, and if Piccolo was that much weaker, I don't think he would've wanted any part of Vegeta. ==== I'd have SSjin Trunks a little stronger than Mecha Freeza at least. There's no reason to keep him equal to Goku from Namek. ==== I wouldn't have diseased SSjin Goku being that close to his Namek level. Tenshinhan and Piccolo corroborate this IMO. Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.2-4 Context: as Goku fights No.19 Tenshinhan: ”In-incredible…What strength…S-so that’s a Super Saiyan…He’s in a completely different dimension than we are…Too different…” Piccolo: “…I wonder…” Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9. Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...” Gohan: “Y-yes…” Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...” Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!” Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…” ==== Otherwise, good job. |
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I think you should have the gaps between Android 16/Imperfect Cell and Android 17/Piccolo a lot bigger than what you have it. He tanked a fully charged Light grenade, and I can't see Light Grenade being much weaker than "Special Beam Canon" unless you think Piccolo is an idiot. Android 16 and Imperfect Cell (post humans) should also be exactly equal as stated by Android 16.
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| NavonWise | Nov 5 2011, 05:17 PM Post #6 |
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How do you have Kuririn: 270,000 and 1,350,000 out of no where? If only he could receive zenkai I would believe it. And Tien 750,000? Lol what? Krillin can never beat Tien, Tien trains harder than Yamcha and Krillin. He was the strongest Human before Ubuu came along. Krillin even in the Cell saga does not touch 1 million, I'm sure of that. And your forgetting Tien had a major boost training with King Kai, which Krillin never did so...yeah...
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| Mr. Blonde | Nov 5 2011, 05:39 PM Post #7 |
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I dropped Piccolo, since he was visibly reeling. Also, Cell powered up a second time against #16 - after he did, #16 could barely lay a finger on him without surprise attacks. KP - I took all your comments on board except Ginyu (i'll read the fight again before changing stuff) and Trunks against Freeza (since I still think he's even with SSj Goku on Namek). Weskur - I decided to be generous to the humans for a change. This is the biggest increase i've given them from King Kai's training. Edited by Mr. Blonde, Nov 5 2011, 05:42 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 5 2011, 05:54 PM Post #8 |
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Only reason I say that is because Gohan said "same ki", not "same size ki", so I take it to mean Super Saiyan ki. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2011, 05:58 PM Post #9 |
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Tien was only stronger in DB. There's no factual argument that can be made to put tien > krillin in DBZ since tien, yamcha, and choutzu were neglected in DBZ (unfortunately). On the other hand a factual argument can be made for krillin > tien due to yamcha's statment at the 25th. |
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I think the multiplier for SSJ is 50x, I don't think it ever decreases. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 5 2011, 06:39 PM Post #11 |
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Not really, Tien was stronger in the beginning of DBZ, died, trained with King Kai, which was 10x the gravity. We see Krillin do all those stuff but we have information of Tien basically isolating him self and training everyday with Chiaotzu. Krillin is not stronger than Tien. Also remember that Tien lasted another year with Chiaotzu in King Kai's planet...the guy was crazy strong for a Human. His trainings are intense, and by the Buu saga Krillin had stopped training while Tien kept going. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2011, 06:46 PM Post #12 |
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Exactly. None of that is factual argument. How much is gained through training is your own opinion. Facts are statements by characters and the ability to preform in real battle. While krillin didn't show promise after namek, tien showed nothing the whole series that could ever put him above krillin. While krillin showed PL's in 100ks in namek, there's nothing to say that tien might not have earned the same amount. So the only real fact to compare them in DBZ is that one statement Yamacha in the 25th. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 5 2011, 06:54 PM Post #13 |
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So...Tien who was stronger than Krillin, goes to King Kai trains in 10x the gravity for like, 2 years I think, was not stronger than Krillin by the Cell saga? I understand what you mean, Tien wasn't shown to do many things, though he did stop Semi-Cell for a while, doubt that Krillin would have done that. I'm just using common sense though. Saiyans have an excuse to get stronger faster, Tien and Krillin are both Humans. Tien has always trained harder, it's logical he's always stronger than Krillin. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2011, 07:00 PM Post #14 |
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Yea I get your point too. But looking at dbz from only what occured and not using guess work neither wins without the use of that one statement in the 25th. What many people (including me) say is that Krillin got to a point where tien could never catch up after Namek. Just because me and many other people find that logical doesn't make it true. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 5 2011, 07:41 PM Post #15 |
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I don't know, I just find that hard to believe. If Tien was stronger than Krillin in the Saiyan saga, dies and then trains in 10x the gravity, I mean to say Krillin was stronger than Tien when Tien came back is...O_O We have evidence of Tien always training, hardly with the rest of the group, always training. I don't know I just find it really hard. Especially with Krillin who had stopped fighting for 7 years, and Tien who had kept on with his training. |
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