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My power level sheet
Topic Started: Nov 5 2011, 03:42 PM (3,835 Views)
Mr. Blonde
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Hey guys, since power level lists are making a comeback, I thought I'd post mine. This is the most recent one from a year or two ago, and it's been tinkered with a fair bit lately, so there might be a few inconsistencies I missed.

Just a few things to make sure this thread doesn't devolve into a flame fest:

- I deliberately ignored the Daiz and SEG multipliers and only used a handful of their numbers for reference.
- I believe Krillin > Tenshinhan after the Freeza arc for a variety of reasons. I also believe SSj Goten > Goku and Base Gohan > Piccolo in the Boo arc. I've had a lot of debates over all of these and they invariably erupt into flame wars, so don't bother trying to change my mind. Feel free to comment on the distance, though.
- Similar to the above, I believe that Kid Boo is not the strongest Boo, Goku's uncertainty over the Genki Dama was over its past failures, and Boo was able to push the Genki Dama back because he was pure evil. Once again, I've had a lot of flame wars over Kid Boo's strength in relation to the other Boos, so don't try to change my mind.
- I believe the SSj multiplier decreases over time, not because of any hokey mathematics, but because after a certain point the SSj and base states become independent of each other in the plot. If it was feasible I would keep a consistent SSj multiplier throughout the series.

With that out of the way, on to the list!

Difference Ratios

1.00 - 1.04= even fight
The fight can go either way.

1.04 - 1.08 = mild advantage in a fistfight
The weaker fighter can still hold their own.

1.08 - 1.12 = domination in a fistfight with some effort
The weaker fighter can put up a fight with significant effort.

1.12 - 1.18 = domination in a fistfight with mild effort
The weaker fighter can barely put up a fight.

1.18 - 1.24 = one-hit kill with significant effort
The weaker fighter can't put up a fight.

1.24 - 1.30 = one-hit kill with mild effort
The weaker fighter should run.

1.30+ = one-hit kill with no effort
The weaker fighter is screwed.

SAIYAN ARC

Son Goku & Piccolo vs. Raditz

Goku (weighted): 334
Goku (weights off): 416
Goku (Kamehameha): 924
Goku (weakened): 312
Goku (impaled): 1

Piccolo (weighted): 322
Piccolo (weights off): 408
Piccolo (wounded): 380
Piccolo (Makankôsappô, first attempt): 1330
Piccolo (drained): 255
Piccolo (Makankôsappô, second attempt): 1020

Raditz (relaxed): 750
Raditz (warming up): 1000
Raditz (full power): 1250
Raditz (weakened): 375
Raditz (impaled): 1

Gohan: 3
Gohan (upset): 710
Gohan (enraged): 1307
Gohan (drained): 1

The Morning After

Muten Rôshi: 139
Kuririn: 206
Yamcha: 177
Tenshinhan: 250
Piccolo (weighted): 329

Battle with Nappa

Piccolo (suppressed): 1220
Piccolo (full power): 2250

Gohan (suppressed): 981
Gohan (enraged): 2500
Gohan (Masenko): 2800

Kuririn (suppressed): 1083
Kuririn (full power): 1500
Kuririn (Kakusandan): 1600
Kuririn (Kamehameha): 2000

Yamcha: 1280
Yamcha (Kamehameha): 1350

Tenshinhan: 1800
Tenshinhan (blood loss): 600
Tenshinhan (one-handed Kikôhô): 2430

Chaozu: 800
Chaozu (Jibaku): 1750

Cultivars: 1200

Nappa (relaxed): 2000
Nappa (powered up): 3000
Nappa (full power & angry): 7200
Nappa (full power & calm): 7800
Nappa (mouth blast): 10,400

Vegeta (relaxed): 2500
Vegeta (powered up): 16,875

Goku (suppressed): 5000
Goku (full power): 8100
Goku (Kamehameha): 10,800
Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 16,200

Battle with Vegeta

Goku: 8100
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x2): 16,200
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x3): 24,300
Goku (tired post Kaiô-Ken x3) 6750
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x3 Kamehameha): 27,000 [steadily declining]
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x4 Kamehameha): 32,000 [rapidly declining]
Goku (drained post-Kamehameha): 2250
Goku (drained, Kaiô-Ken): 4500
Goku (Genki Dama): 75,000
Goku (after dropping the Genki Dama): 150
Goku (exhausted): 10
Goku (paralysed): 2

Vegeta (holding back): 8640
Vegeta (increased effort): 15,000
Vegeta (more effort): 16,875
Vegeta (full power): 18,000
Vegeta (injured): 13,500
Vegeta (Garlic Gun): 27,000
Vegeta (post beam duel): 6750
Vegeta (after power ball): 5400
Vegeta (Oozaru): 54,000
Vegeta (weakened post-Oozaru): 2700
Vegeta (hit by Genki Dama): 750
Vegeta (exhausted): 500
Vegeta (crushed by Oozaru Gohan): 3

Gohan (enraged against Vegeta): 2500 [steadily declining]
Gohan (weakened against Vegeta): 150
Gohan (Oozaru): 1500

Kuririn: 1500
Kuririn (injured): 450
Kuririn (remaining Genki Dama): 3150

Yajirobe: 900

FREEZA ARC

Arrival on Namek

Gohan (suppressed): 250
Gohan (full power): 1485

Kuririn (weighted & suppressed): 250
Kuririn (weighted & unsuppressed): 1500
Kuririn (weights off & full power): 1875

Vegeta (suppressed): 16,000
Vegeta (full power): 24,000

Freeza’s scouts: 900
Freeza’s soldiers: 800-2000

Kiwi: 18,000

Dodoria: 20,250
Zarbon: 21,600

Namek Warriors (suppressed): 1000
Namek Warriors (full power): 3000

Freeza (relaxed): 265,000

Vegeta vs. Zarbon

Vegeta: 24,000
Vegeta (3rd Zenkai): 30,000

Zarbon: 21,600
Zarbon (transformed): 30,375
Zarbon (transformed, weakened): 27,000

Freeza (relaxed): 265,000

Appule: 1500

Kuririn (suppressed): 250
Kuririn (unlocked potential): 7500

Nail (suppressed): 6000

Battle with the Ginyu Force

Gohan (suppressed): 1500
Gohan (unlocked potential): 14,000
Gohan (Zenkai, suppressed): 32,000

Kuririn (suppressed): 1500
Kuririn (powered up): 13,000
Kuririn (healed, suppressed): 24,750

Vegeta (suppressed): 6000
Vegeta (full power): 30,000
Vegeta (3rd Zenkai, holding back): 60,000

Gurd: 10,000

Reacoom: 45,000
Reacoom (Eraser Gun): 60,000

Butta: 45,000

Jheece: 45,000
Jheece (Crusher Ball): 54,000

Captain Ginyu (suppressed): 67,500
Captain Ginyu (powered up): 72,000
Captain Ginyu (full power): 120,000
Captain Ginyu (in Goku’s body): 23,000

Goku (suppressed): 5000
Goku (short bursts): 67,500
Goku (full power): 90,000
Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 180,000

Nail vs. Freeza

Nail (suppressed): 6000
Nail (full power): 42,000
Nail (after regenerating): 35,000
Nail (injured & exhausted): 700

Freeza (suppressed): 265,000

Battle with Freeza

Freeza (1st form, suppressed): 265,000
Freeza (1st form, full power): 530,000
Freeza (2nd form): 1,060,000
Freeza (2nd form & powered up): 1,250,000
Freeza (2nd form & full power): 1,440,000
Freeza (3rd form): 2,250,000
Freeza (true form): 3,000,000

Vegeta (full power): 500,000
Vegeta (4th Zenkai): 2,400,000

Gohan: 150,000 [rapidly increasing]
Gohan (enraged): 1,200,000
Gohan (Zenkai, maxed out): 450,000
Gohan (Bakurikimaha): 2,304,000

Kuririn: 125,000 [rapidly increasing]
Kuririn (maxed out): 250,000

Piccolo (weighted): 6400
Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 8000
Piccolo (fused with Nail & weighted): 1,280,000
Piccolo (fused with Nail, weights off): 1,600,000

Son Goku vs. Freeza

Freeza (warming up): 3,000,000
Freeza (increased effort): 4,000,000
Freeza (3%, without hands): 4,320,000
Freeza (50% of true power): 72,000,000
Freeza (50%, weakened by the Genki Dama): 60,000,000
Freeza (70% of true power): 100,800,000
Freeza (100% of true power): 144,000,000 [steadily declining]
Freeza (100%, Chi barrier): 225,000,000
Freeza (100% & strained post-Chi barrier): 125,000,000 [rapidly declining]
Freeza (100% & exhausted): 120,000,000 [rapidly declining]

Goku (warming up): 3,000,000
Goku (full power): 3,750,000
Goku (Kaiô-Ken): 7,500,000
Goku (tiring): 3,375,000
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x10): 33,750,000
Goku (weakened): 2,400,000
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x20): 48,000,000
Goku (Kaiô-Ken x20 Kamehameha): 72,000,000
Goku (drained post Kaiô-Ken x20): 1,200,000
Goku (further injured): 960,000
Goku (Genki Dama): 81,000,000
Goku (exhausted post Genki-Dama): 480,000
Goku (refreshed by transformation): 3,750,000
SSj Goku: 150,000,000
SSj Goku (Kamehameha): 225,000,000
SSj Goku (drained post Kamehameha): 135,000,000
Goku (battle worn): 3,375,000

CELL ARC

The Future

Mirai Gohan: 3,000,000
SSj Mirai Gohan: 120,000,000

Mirai Trunks (14): 62,500
SSj Mirai Trunks: 2,500,000

Mirai Trunks (17): 3,750,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 150,000,000

Mirai #18: 384,000,000
Mirai #17: 432,000,000

Arrival of Mirai Trunks

Vegeta: 3,200,000

Piccolo (weighted): 2,500,000
Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 3,125,000

Gohan: 400,000

Kuririn: 270,000
Tenshinhan: 125,000
Yamcha: 80,000
Chaozu: 50,000

Freeza (cybernetic enhancements): 4,500,000
Freeza (cybernetic enhancements, 100%, never seen): 162,000,000

King Cold (suppressed): 5,000,000
King Cold (full power, never seen): 125,000,000

Mirai Trunks (suppressed): 5
Mirai Trunks (full power): 3,750,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 150,000,000

Goku: 4,500,000
SSj Goku: 180,000,000

Battle with #19 & #20

Goku: 12,000,000
SSj Goku (full power, not seen): 360,000,000
SSj Goku (heart disease taking effect): 240,000,000 [steadily declining]
SSj Goku (Kamehameha): 260,000,000
SSj Goku (post Kamehameha): 160,000,000 [rapidly declining]
SSj Goku (exhausted): 75,000,000 [rapidly declining]
Goku (extreme heart disease effects): 2,500,000 [rapidly declining]

Vegeta: 12,500,000
SSj Vegeta: 375,000,000
SSj Vegeta (Chi drained by #19): 300,000,000
SSj Vegeta (Big Bang attack): 450,000,000
SSj Vegeta (exhausted): 150,000,000
Vegeta (exhausted): 5,000,000

Piccolo (weighted & relaxed): 60,000,000
Piccolo (weighted & suppressed): 15,000,000
Piccolo (weighted & drained): 5,000,000
Piccolo (weighted & unsuppressed): 216,000,000
Piccolo (weights off & full power): 270,000,000

Gohan: 10,000,000

Kuririn: 1,350,000
Tenshinhan: 750,000
Yamcha: 360,000

#19: 160,000,000
#19 (Kamehameha absorbed): 180,000,000
#19 (Vegeta’s Chi absorbed): 255,000,000

#20: 200,000,000
#20 (Yamcha’s Chi absorbed): 200,099,970
#20 (Vegeta’s blast absorbed): 215,000,000
#20 (Piccolo’s Chi absorbed): 225,000,000

Battle with #17 & #18

Vegeta: 12,500,000
SSj Vegeta: 375,000,000 [steadily declining]

Mirai Trunks: 10,800,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 324,000,000

Piccolo: 270,000,000

Kuririn: 1,350,000
Tenshinhan: 750,000

#18 (holding back): 400,000,000 [steadily increasing]
#18 (full effort): 480,000,000

#17: 540,000,000
#16: 750,000,000

Piccolo vs. Cell

Incomplete Cell (suppressed): 200,000,000
Incomplete Cell (full power): 432,000,000
Incomplete Cell (Kamehameha): 500,000,000

Piccolo (weighted & suppressed): 150,000,000
Piccolo (reunited, weighted & suppressed,): 300,000,000
Piccolo (reunited, weighted & powered up): 486,000,000
Piccolo (reunited, weighted, after regenerating): 468,750,000

Vegeta: 12,500,000
Mirai Trunks: 10,800,000

Kuririn: 1,350,000
Tenshinhan: 750,000

Piccolo vs. the Cyborgs vs. Cell


Piccolo (weights off & full power): 540,000,000
Piccolo (full power & tiring): 500,000,000
Piccolo (exhausted & wounded): 300,000,000
Piccolo (Gekiretsu Kôdan): 675,000,000

#17 (holding back): 480,000,000
#17 (full effort): 540,000,000

Incomplete Cell (relaxed): 600,000,000
Incomplete Cell (powered up): 750,000,000
Incomplete Cell (full power): 810,000,000

#16: 750,000,000
#16 (Hell’s Flash): 900,000,000

#18: 480,000,000

Vegeta & Mirai Trunks vs. Cell

Semi-Complete Cell (relaxed): 1,250,000,000
Semi-Complete Cell (full power): 1,500,000,000
Complete Cell (suppressed): 1,920,000,000
Complete Cell (getting serious): 2,880,000,000
Complete Cell (increased muscle mass): 4,320,000,000

Tenshinhan: 900,000
Tenshinhan (Shin-Kikôhô): 1,200,000,000

Vegeta: 67,500,000
SSj Vegeta: 1,350,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta: 2,025,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (tiring): 1,875,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (Final Flash): 3,750,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (drained): 1,500,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Vegeta (injured & exhausted): 1,200,000,000

Mirai Trunks: 60,000,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 1,200,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks: 1,800,000,000
SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks: 2,700,000,000
SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (full power): 3,600,000,000 [steadily declining]

#18: 480,000,000
#16: 750,000,000

The Cell Games

First Match: Mr. Satan vs. Cell

Complete Cell: 2,880,000,000

Mr. Satan: 9

Second Match: Son Goku vs. Cell

Complete Cell (warming up): 2,880,000,000
Complete Cell (powered up): 8,640,000,000
Complete Cell (post-regeneration): 3,750,000,000
Complete Cell (barrier): 5,000,000,000

Goku: 2,025,000,000
SSj Goku (warming up): 2,880,000,000
SSj Goku (full power): 8,100,000,000
SSj Goku (Instantaneous Kamehameha): 12,000,000,000
SSj Goku (drained post-Kamehameha): 3,600,000,000 [steadily declining]
SSj Goku (rapid Chi blasts): 4,320,000,000
SSj Goku (exhausted): 2,700,000,000

Third Match: Son Gohan vs. Cell

Complete Cell: 8,640,000,000

Gohan: 2,500,000,000
SSj Gohan (weighted & suppressed): 3,200,000,000
SSj Gohan (weights off & full power): 10,000,000,000

Intermission: Z-Fighters vs. Cell Jrs

Cell Jr.: 5,000,000,000

Vegeta: 400,000,000
SSj Vegeta: 4,800,000,000
SS 2nd Grade Vegeta (not seen): 7,200,000,000

Mirai Trunks: 375,000,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 4,500,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 6,750,000,000
SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 13,500,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 1,080,000,000
Piccolo (weights off): 1,350,000,000

#16: 750,000,000

Kuririn: 1,500,000
Tenshinhan: 800,000
Yamcha: 400,000

Third Match resumed: Son Gohan vs. Cell

Complete Cell (100%): 16,000,000,000
Complete Cell (post-regeneration): 12,000,000,000
Complete Cell (increased muscle mass): 18,000,000,000
Semi-Complete Cell: 1,350,000,000
Perfect Cell: 27,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Kamehameha): 54,000,000,000

SSj2 Gohan: 30,000,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (injured & distressed): 15,000,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (injured & determined): 24,000,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (Kamehameha, mild effort): 50,000,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (Kamehameha, maximum effort): 67,500,000,000

The Last Z-Warrior

Mirai Trunks: 375,000,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 4,500,000,000

Mirai #18: 320,000,000
Mirai #17: 360,000,000

Mirai Trunks (3 years later): 400,000,000
SSj Mirai Trunks: 5,000,000,000
SSj 2nd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 7,500,000,000
SSj 3rd Grade Mirai Trunks (not seen): 15,000,000,000

Incomplete Cell (suppressed): 5
Incomplete Cell (full power): 400,000,000

BOO ARC

The Great Saiyaman

Gohan: 1,875,000,000
SSj Gohan (relaxed): 3,000,000,000
SSj Gohan (full power): 7,500,000,000

Goten: 350,000,000
SSj Goten (relaxed): 2,800,000,000
SSj Goten (full power): 4,200,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 360,000,000
SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,320,000,000

Vegeta: 2,250,000,000
SSj Vegeta: 9,000,000,000
SSj2 Vegeta (not seen): 45,000,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 960,000,000
Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 1,200,000,000

Kuririn: 1,200,000
#18: 480,000,000

Videl: 10
Mr. Satan: 8

25th Tenka’ichi Budôkai

Gohan: 2,000,000,000
SSj Gohan: 8,000,000,000
SSj2 Gohan: 40,000,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000,000

Goten: 375,000,000
SSj Goten: 4,500,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 384,000,000
SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,608,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000
Piccolo (weights off, not seen): 1,250,000,000

Kuririn: 1,200,000
Yamcha: 320,000

#18: 480,000,000

Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000
Kibit: 500,000,000

Yamu: 100
Spopovich: 100

Videl: 12
Mr. Satan: 8

Awakening of Majin Boo

Pipi: 1,600,000,000
Yakon: 3,375,000,000

Dabra (against Gohan): 8,100,000,000
Dabra (full power): 9,000,000,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000,000
SSj Vegeta: 9,600,000,000
SSj Majin Vegeta: 11,520,000,000
SSj2 Majin Vegeta: 57,600,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000
SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000
SSj2 Goku: 57,600,000,000

Gohan: 2,000,000,000
SSj Gohan: 8,000,000,000

Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000
Kibit: 500,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000
Kuririn: 1,200,000

Majin Boo: 8,000,000,000
Majin Boo (angry against Dabra): 75,000,000,000
Majin Boo (enraged against Majin Vegeta): 200,000,000,000

Majin Boo Unleashed

Majin Boo: 200,000,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000
SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000
SSj2 Goku: 57,600,000,000
SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000

Goten: 375,000,000
SSj Goten: 4,500,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 384,000,000
SSj Chibi Trunks: 4,608,000,000

Gotenks: 72,000,000,000
SSj Gotenks: 288,000,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000

Mr. Satan: 8

Mr. Boo: 80,000,000,000
Evil Boo: 120,000,000,000
Super Boo: 600,000,000,000

Gotenks vs. Super Boo

Super Boo: 600,000,000,000

Goten: 500,000,000
SSj Goten: 6,000,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 500,000,000
SSj Chibi Trunks: 6,000,000,000

Gotenks: 96,000,000,000
SSj Gotenks: 384,000,000,000
SSj3 Gotenks: 576,000,000,000

Piccolo (weighted): 1,000,000,000

Son Gohan vs. Super Boo

Super Boo: 600,000,000,000
Super Boo (with SSj3 Gotenks): 1,177,000,000,000

Gohan: 2,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan (suppressed): 250,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan (full power): 800,000,000,000

Tenshinhan: 1,000,000
Tenshinhan (Shin-Kikôhô): 2,400,000,000

Kaioshin: 1,500,000,000
Kibit: 500,000,000
Kibitoshin: 50,000,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000
SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000

Vegetto vs. Super Boo

Super Boo (with Piccolo): 602,000,000,000
Super Boo (with Ultimate Gohan): 1,402,000,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000
Vegeta: 2,400,000,000

Vegetto: 750,000,000,000
SSj Vegetto: 3,000,000,000,000

Battle with Chibi Boo

Mega Boo: 750,000,000,000

Chibi Boo: 270,000,000,000

Goku: 3,600,000,000
SSj Goku: 14,400,000,000
SSj3 Goku: 288,000,000,000 [rapidly declining]
SSj3 Goku (exhausted): 240,000,000,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000,000
SSj Vegeta: 9,600,000,000
SSj2 Vegeta: 48,000,000,000
SSj2 Vegeta (injured) 32,000,000,000
Vegeta (injured): 1,600,000,000
Vegeta (injured & exhausted): 1,000,000,000

Mr. Boo: 80,000,000,000
Mr. Boo (injured): 60,000,000,000 [steadily declining]
Mr. Boo (exhausted): 30,000,000,000 [steadily declining]

Mr. Satan: 8
Edited by Mr. Blonde, Nov 5 2011, 05:27 PM.
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Most of your Power Levels are wrong in my opinion, but you did a great job making this list.
Raditz should be at 1,200 in relaxed form and 1,500 in enraged form.
Krillin should be at 1,500 in relaxed form and 13,000 after his potential unlocked.
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Nov 5 2011, 04:09 PM
Most of your Power Levels are wrong in my opinion, but you did a great job making this list.
Raditz should be at 1,200 in relaxed form and 1,500 in enraged form.
Krillin should be at 1,500 in relaxed form and 13,000 after his potential unlocked.
Heh, thanks. Feel free to correct me, I just put those disclaimers in there to prevent the usual NO U flaming.

Also, I ignored supplemental numbers because quite a few of them are contradictory.
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Ginyu didn't power-up to fight Goku until he went to full power. Before that, he had a slight edge on Goku.

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SSjin Future Trunks (14) should be equal to or under Base Future Gohan. Gohan was handling him with one hand, bro.

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Piccolo and Vegeta should be a lot closer when Trunks arrives. The two were about to get into it, and if Piccolo was that much weaker, I don't think he would've wanted any part of Vegeta.

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I'd have SSjin Trunks a little stronger than Mecha Freeza at least. There's no reason to keep him equal to Goku from Namek.

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I wouldn't have diseased SSjin Goku being that close to his Namek level. Tenshinhan and Piccolo corroborate this IMO.

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.2-4
Context: as Goku fights No.19
Tenshinhan: ”In-incredible…What strength…S-so that’s a Super Saiyan…He’s in a completely different dimension than we are…Too different…”
Piccolo: “…I wonder…”

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”

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I think you should have the gaps between Android 16/Imperfect Cell and Android 17/Piccolo a lot bigger than what you have it. He tanked a fully charged Light grenade, and I can't see Light Grenade being much weaker than "Special Beam Canon" unless you think Piccolo is an idiot. Android 16 and Imperfect Cell (post humans) should also be exactly equal as stated by Android 16.
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How do you have Kuririn: 270,000 and 1,350,000 out of no where? If only he could receive zenkai I would believe it. And Tien 750,000? Lol what? Krillin can never beat Tien, Tien trains harder than Yamcha and Krillin. He was the strongest Human before Ubuu came along. Krillin even in the Cell saga does not touch 1 million, I'm sure of that. And your forgetting Tien had a major boost training with King Kai, which Krillin never did so...yeah...
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I think you should have the gaps between Android 16/Imperfect Cell and Android 17/Piccolo a lot bigger than what you have it. He tanked a fully charged Light grenade, and I can't see Light Grenade being much weaker than "Special Beam Canon" unless you think Piccolo is an idiot. Android 16 and Imperfect Cell (post humans) should also be exactly equal as stated by Android 16.
I dropped Piccolo, since he was visibly reeling. Also, Cell powered up a second time against #16 - after he did, #16 could barely lay a finger on him without surprise attacks.

KP - I took all your comments on board except Ginyu (i'll read the fight again before changing stuff) and Trunks against Freeza (since I still think he's even with SSj Goku on Namek).

Weskur - I decided to be generous to the humans for a change. This is the biggest increase i've given them from King Kai's training.
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KP - I took all your comments on board except Ginyu (i'll read the fight again before changing stuff) and Trunks against Freeza (since I still think he's even with SSj Goku on Namek).

Only reason I say that is because Gohan said "same ki", not "same size ki", so I take it to mean Super Saiyan ki.
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How do you have Kuririn: 270,000 and 1,350,000 out of no where? If only he could receive zenkai I would believe it. And Tien 750,000? Lol what? Krillin can never beat Tien, Tien trains harder than Yamcha and Krillin. He was the strongest Human before Ubuu came along. Krillin even in the Cell saga does not touch 1 million, I'm sure of that. And your forgetting Tien had a major boost training with King Kai, which Krillin never did so...yeah...
Tien was only stronger in DB. There's no factual argument that can be made to put tien > krillin in DBZ since tien, yamcha, and choutzu were neglected in DBZ (unfortunately). On the other hand a factual argument can be made for krillin > tien due to yamcha's statment at the 25th.

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I think the multiplier for SSJ is 50x, I don't think it ever decreases.
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How do you have Kuririn: 270,000 and 1,350,000 out of no where? If only he could receive zenkai I would believe it. And Tien 750,000? Lol what? Krillin can never beat Tien, Tien trains harder than Yamcha and Krillin. He was the strongest Human before Ubuu came along. Krillin even in the Cell saga does not touch 1 million, I'm sure of that. And your forgetting Tien had a major boost training with King Kai, which Krillin never did so...yeah...
Tien was only stronger in DB. There's no factual argument that can be made to put tien > krillin in DBZ since tien, yamcha, and choutzu were neglected in DBZ (unfortunately). On the other hand a factual argument can be made for krillin > tien due to yamcha's statment at the 25th.
Not really, Tien was stronger in the beginning of DBZ, died, trained with King Kai, which was 10x the gravity. We see Krillin do all those stuff but we have information of Tien basically isolating him self and training everyday with Chiaotzu. Krillin is not stronger than Tien. Also remember that Tien lasted another year with Chiaotzu in King Kai's planet...the guy was crazy strong for a Human. His trainings are intense, and by the Buu saga Krillin had stopped training while Tien kept going.
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Exactly. None of that is factual argument. How much is gained through training is your own opinion. Facts are statements by characters and the ability to preform in real battle. While krillin didn't show promise after namek, tien showed nothing the whole series that could ever put him above krillin. While krillin showed PL's in 100ks in namek, there's nothing to say that tien might not have earned the same amount. So the only real fact to compare them in DBZ is that one statement Yamacha in the 25th.

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So...Tien who was stronger than Krillin, goes to King Kai trains in 10x the gravity for like, 2 years I think, was not stronger than Krillin by the Cell saga? I understand what you mean, Tien wasn't shown to do many things, though he did stop Semi-Cell for a while, doubt that Krillin would have done that. I'm just using common sense though. Saiyans have an excuse to get stronger faster, Tien and Krillin are both Humans. Tien has always trained harder, it's logical he's always stronger than Krillin.
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Yea I get your point too. But looking at dbz from only what occured and not using guess work neither wins without the use of that one statement in the 25th. What many people (including me) say is that Krillin got to a point where tien could never catch up after Namek. Just because me and many other people find that logical doesn't make it true.

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I don't know, I just find that hard to believe. If Tien was stronger than Krillin in the Saiyan saga, dies and then trains in 10x the gravity, I mean to say Krillin was stronger than Tien when Tien came back is...O_O

We have evidence of Tien always training, hardly with the rest of the group, always training. I don't know I just find it really hard. Especially with Krillin who had stopped fighting for 7 years, and Tien who had kept on with his training.
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