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Nov 4 2011, 06:53 PM Post #31 |
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Well no way is perfect if you think about so I really don't have an idea what is the best way. |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Nov 4 2011, 07:16 PM Post #32 |
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I think what Emma meant by that was that if two 13 year old's wanted to have sex then they could, but I don't know. Really, if you both want to, are aware of everything, use protection unless you want to get a girl pregnant, and are mature enough to handle it, then why not? There really isn't a solution to this. |
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| * Bex | Nov 4 2011, 07:21 PM Post #33 |
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I think a lot of people are straying from the logic of having age limitations on things like sex here. Fulgore, just because you're able to do that list of things you said, doesn't make you ready to take responsibility in order to carry out doing those things, or having sex for that matter. For example, at 18 in the UK, you become elligable to vote. But are people responsible when they do that? No, not always. Some people vote for parties like the BNP or the Monster Raving Looney party just for a laugh, which constitutes a wasted vote in the grand scheme of things, but at the very worst, could place a racist party like the BNP in charge of something. In the UK, you are also able to change your name after a certain age, but are people responsible when they do that? No, not always. Take for example John Portsmouth Football Club Westwood, who changed his name to include his favourite football team, or the man that changed his first name to include every single James Bond film title that's ever been produced. These people aren't being responsible, they aren't thinking about what that'll do outside of the fact that it's funny and will get them attention. So the age at which you can do something doesn't mean it's the age you're responsible to do something. Age does not equal responsibility. Like I said, it's just a legal limit, not a definite guideline of when people were ready to do something. If it was a universal thing that all human beings were naturally capable of grasping as soon as they turned 16/18/whatever, the age limit for sex would be the same everywhere wouldn't it? But it's not. And Emma, what you said isn't quite right. I can't tell if you're trying to play devil's advocate with us here but not having a legal limit at all just invites paedophelia as Pelador pointed out, and that's classed as child abuse since quite obviously, children aren't matured in order to have sex since they haven't hit puberty. Some would say 14 is pretty early, in fact I myself in a way think of 14 year olds as kids even though I'm only about 5/6 years older than they are, but that 5/6 years is the difference between people only just getting used to having their voice drop, getting periods and having pubic hair, to being almost a fully grown adult. So of course there needs to be a limit, people that have only just gotten used to puberty, if they've even started it yet, aren't ready for sex. Puberty at least in it's earliest stages is a natural sign that you're still getting ready for sex. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 5 2011, 01:27 AM Post #34 |
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To be fair, I think some people have misinterpreted what Fulgore was trying to say. The way I see it, he meant that even though not everybody is ready for it at 18, the restrictions placed on you before it (e.g. can't get a job, can't get an apartment, can't get credit etc) make it so much more difficult to be able to care for a child. I do agree in a way, but that only really applies to when people are forced to do it alone. People under 18 who can still live at home, get financial and emotional support from family and who are mature enough to handle it, should be able to have children if they choose (or not criticized for it if it was an accident, as it normally is at that age). |
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| * Bex | Nov 5 2011, 02:11 PM Post #35 |
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Yeah but those aren't legal restrictions, that's just how life is. In terms of kids, you should be responsible enough to wait until you ARE able to provide shelter and money for you and your child before having one, but people aren't. They aim for sexual pleasure and come out of it with a child, or if they did actually want to have a child, they didn't realise just how difficult it would be to take care of one at that age. |
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| Wolf | Nov 5 2011, 07:32 PM Post #36 |
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I lost mine at an early age and I regret it. People should wait till they truly feel love or strong feelings for someone. If you feel mature enough and the care for someone to express your love in that way, then by all means you should. But, don't just do it to get it in or something. That's when it becomes wrong. |
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| Fulgore | Nov 5 2011, 10:20 PM Post #37 |
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No. You're assuming a child is a death sentence for your life. You're completely wrong. I know a lot of people who have had a kid at 18 and are now on their way to a doctorate. A child isn't the end of everyone. Only people whos convictions aren't strong enough. And yes, it's all legal restrictions. Credit, Apartments, jobs, education etc. They come with a nice age restriction on them. |
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| * Bex | Nov 5 2011, 11:01 PM Post #38 |
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I'm not assuming that, I'm simply saying that having a child at a younger age makes it a bit harder on you to get your doctorate or whatever at the same age, because you're focusing on raising a baby and looking after them, as well as doing education or whatever. You need money to look after human beings in this life, it doesn't just magically happen. Is that difficult for you to understand? I am not completely wrong. I never said having children was a death sentence and I fail to understand where you got that from. There is nothing wrong with saying that you should wait until you're able to take care of a child before having one. Of course people do and can have children before that but very few of them are planned or responsible. That's all I'm saying. There are of course anomalies for everything, but one case compared to a hundred doesn't mean it's universally true. |
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| Fulgore | Nov 5 2011, 11:56 PM Post #39 |
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what I'm saying viddy is this. Before 18 you're not even able to live on your own. Everything is against you, when you hit 18 multiple doors open and it's suddenly not unrealistic to have a child. I never said it's easy, but it's not unrealistic. |
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| * Bex | Nov 6 2011, 01:38 AM Post #40 |
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Of course it isn't unrealistic but just cause it opens doors doesn't mean people are responsible enough with their sexual activity at one specific age. All the other things are besides the point. This isn't just about having kids, and it's not about being old enough to vote or anything else, it's about the age at which you're ready to have sex, but the younger you are the less prepared you are going to be surely. |
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| Fulgore | Nov 6 2011, 01:54 AM Post #41 |
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oh I know viddy this is about sex. But this was turned into a debate about what age is "responsible" |
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| NavonWise | Nov 6 2011, 02:16 AM Post #42 |
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I think you should start having sex when you are 100% sure you are ready. |
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Nov 7 2011, 10:32 PM Post #43 |
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I just wanted to point out that the age of consent in most states in the U.S. is 16. You guys are mostly talking like it's 18. ... That is all.
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| + Byakko | Nov 7 2011, 10:53 PM Post #44 |
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Actually, the legal age for men in the U.S is 16. For women, it's 18. So, if a 16 year old guy has sex with a 17 year old girl, it's statutory rape. |
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| Rockman | Nov 7 2011, 11:35 PM Post #45 |
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17+ But what you need to ask yourself rather than what age, is whether the person has the ability and is able to make a conscious effort to have protected sex. That is much more important than what age. People are going to have sex younger than 17 whether you like it or not. And they are going to have children at the age of 17 if they want to, regardless of what people think. You can't stop all of it. 17+, and the institute of marriage is a religious tradition and practice. And no. Especially if you're not of the Religion that suggests it. Sex is older than the Bible itself. That's what I think. |
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