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Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 05:00 PM (5,524 Views)
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And as for a translation where Yamcha calls him a human

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In the anime, just for reference, Yamcha states that he wouldn't want to fight Krillin for sure

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Nov 3 2011, 08:36 PM
And as for a translation where Yamcha calls him a human

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In the anime, just for reference, Yamcha states that he wouldn't want to fight Krillin for sure

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That is a horrible FANslation. That is all.

And that is the FUNi dub of the anime btw.
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Unless if you actually are fluent in Japanese, you can't say if one translation is more right than the other. They are both loosely the same and earthling/human are used as substitutes for one another.

You also can't prove that the Son Gohan referred to earlier in the Diaz, isn't the original Son Gohan who was part of the Dragon Ball manga and a student of Roshi, and whose family name Goku adopted. The two Gohans names were never distinguished as let's say Goku/Vegeta and Goky Jr/Vegeta Jr; Goku was just the one who called him Grandpa


And just in case your forgotten about this list being anime inclusive and based, Tien isn't the only one capable of multi form. Krillin did it as well and Vegeta called it an amateur technique

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It's also impossible for Yamcha to be saying "Earthling" instead of "human" because of how many things that would contradict (including the Diaz).

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Definition of Earthling: the term refers to a mortal inhabitant of the Earth as opposed to spiritual or divine entity.

By using the term earthling, he groups in Piccolo who was now whole as opposed to demon/god halves and the saiyans. It would also include Buu and the cyborgs since earth was where they resided.
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Thought I should also add that in the anime Goku has a nightmare that Gohan and Krillin would try to protect him like in the past, versus the androids. It pretty much explains why he sent them off anime wise. Those two many times have disobeyed him and risked themselves to save him, Tien and Yamcha not so much. They have common sense and aren't clouded by the same level of bond despite being his friends and teammates as well. It pretty much is the excuse for them being sent off.

And just for reference, in Kai and Z anime, Piccolo refers to humans as being so delicate when Krillin and Tien talk about being cold looking for Gero's lab

And just another reminder for you, the list is anime inclusive and based.
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Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P3.2-3
Marron: “That person dad’s fighting is big and looks strong…I wonder if he’ll be alright?...”
Yamcha: “It’s fine, fine! Someone like that doesn’t matter at all! Your father is the strongest in the world! Among Earthlings…”
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Because there were lots of surprised facial expressions for other powers. It wasn't even that big or much of a surprise from Trunks really. Vegeta gets surprised facial expression from seeing Gohan at 2,800 in the Saiyan arc where he had an 18,000 battle power.

It's all about the context. That's why I use actions and statements to define the situation.
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In context, that's him surprised that such a weak little kid could produce such power in an instant.
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In context, that's Trunks surprised at the amount of power Goku's producing.
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Because it's an ill effective form...it's not effective at all. The only reason Trunks used it is because he was unaware of it's flaws. It's implied Vegeta had it and he never used it on Cell.

Also, during the Cell games for instance when Cell told Gohan he was going to show him his "true terrifying power" did he go buff? No.
Nobody aware of that form's flaws considers it considers it their real power.

Grade 2 and 3 are both going beyond the max of Super Saiyan power, so if you might as well put Grade 2 in with your testimony. Cell could've done Grade 2, his version at least, but he chose not to. Vegeta's reaction also speaks volumes about Goku's power.

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P13.1-2
Context: After sensing half of Full Power Super Saiyan Goku’s full power from a distance.
Vegeta (to self): “Da-damn you, Kakarot… It’s always like this… He’s always a step ahead of me…! It drives me crazy…Just when I think I’ve caught up, he widens the lead again…”

Vegeta could've used Grade 3 as well but knew of its drawbacks. That doesn't negate that he would take into account his full power output when comparing himself to Goku. There's also the fact that everybody was surprised when Goku said he couldn't beat Cell.
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Yeah but this is Mastered Super Saiyan, he likely did stay at 50%...when he was fighting Cell in the warm up no one (other than Gohan) knew Goku was still suppressed. Everyone thinks 50% Goku is 100% Goku and none of them watching the fight said "hey, this is way weaker than what Goku displayed on Korin tower". He should be at 50% there in his warm up with Cell and not just some random power. Also remember in the ROSAT he learned to stay in Super Saiyan for what was likely months..so 10 days at half power is nothing at this point.

It was still a warm-up though. Nobody would expect them to go all-out at that point.
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To be fair, that was just Trunks .... A stupid look and confused throughout the android and cell arcs.c

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Nov 3 2011, 10:02 PM
To be fair, that was just Trunks .... A stupid look and confused throughout the android and cell arcs.c

It doesn't really negate his reaction in the context of the scene, but I see what you're saying. His credibility might not be the best, right? If it was just him, maybe, but Piccolo has the same kind of look, except in his own Namekian way, and Vegeta's pissed as *****.

Just to add, in the Viz translation, Yamcha just says Krillin is the "strongest in the world", without any specification as to human or Earthling.
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Nov 3 2011, 09:01 PM
Unless if you actually are fluent in Japanese, you can't say if one translation is more right than the other. They are both loosely the same and earthling/human are used as substitutes for one another.

You also can't prove that the Son Gohan referred to earlier in the Diaz, isn't the original Son Gohan who was part of the Dragon Ball manga and a student of Roshi, and whose family name Goku adopted. The two Gohans names were never distinguished as let's say Goku/Vegeta and Goky Jr/Vegeta Jr; Goku was just the one who called him Grandpa


And just in case your forgotten about this list being anime inclusive and based, Tien isn't the only one capable of multi form. Krillin did it as well and Vegeta called it an amateur technique

Nope.avi

Herms, a member from DaizEX, is as fluent at speaking Japanese as...well...a Japanese person and he calls those fanslations trash and the FUNi dub is thee most inaccurate piece of hit out there.
I have already posted why 'Human' =/= 'Earthling' in the DB world.

Idgaf if this is Anime exclusive and in fact I don't think this list is.
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I said anime inclusive. That means to include. It has to obviously be to include filler like Olibu, Garlic, Pikkon, and the Ginyu force going to Kai's place.

Now on a personal note, no one cares what you do or don't give a f about. The fact is you commented in the thread and can't comprehend the parameters of it. You are too head strong to say you or wrong, but at the end of the day you make yourself look foolish to ignore what happened in the anime when the thread includes it to formulate the chart. You saying you don't give a f is silly and childish because obviously you do if you keep posting and trying to argue and pass off your heavily bias and invalid view as fact, while ignoring the context of the subject matter at hand.

If you want to discuss manga exclusive levels and feats go to another thread or make a thread up all of your own with the subject matter you have to back up against any claims. This however isn't the thread for that. If you can't get that, all I can say is .... Facepalm
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Nov 3 2011, 10:06 PM
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To be fair, that was just Trunks .... A stupid look and confused throughout the android and cell arcs.c

It doesn't really negate his reaction in the context of the scene, but I see what you're saying. His credibility might not be the best, right? If it was just him, maybe, but Piccolo has the same kind of look, except in his own Namekian way, and Vegeta's pissed as *****.

Just to add, in the Viz translation, Yamcha just says Krillin is the "strongest in the world", without any specification as to human or Earthling.
I was able to get a few words translated here lol.

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One of the words in Yamcha's self fixing statement was "people" consistently in different translations/friends. I'll get something proper soon lol.

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So why do you think 50% Goku > grade 3 Trunks again? When no one considers grade 3 their true power? What's Perfect Cell's true power?

That look on Trunks face hardly suggests that his grade 3 was surpassed by 50% Goku btw. It's just an OMG that's a big power type of look.


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It was still a warm-up though. Nobody would expect them to go all-out at that point.


None of them were aware it was a warm up though.....Vegeta sort of figured it out at the very end, and that was when Gohan said his dad was not going all out. Goku should be at 50% there, equal to "warming up" suppression Cell.

Some random power doesn't make any sense.
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I'm giving up on all points at this point in time, but I will say that it doesn't make sense to consider Grade 3 not "true power" but go and consider Grade 2 "true power", since Cell used neither as his.
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I too believe that MSSJ Son Goku > USSJ2 Trunks by judging Trunks' face expressions.
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