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| Kblo247 | Nov 3 2011, 04:46 PM Post #46 |
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Everyone doesn't think 50% Goku is real Goku, aside from Gohan. Piccolo said he held back his real power, on the lookout, in the anime, which the list is made from. Now that may have been the Kami in him or just from knowing Goku period, but he knew Goku held back when he showed half his power just like he and Gohan both saw something was wrong with his heart versus 19 Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 04:48 PM.
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Nov 3 2011, 04:59 PM Post #47 |
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But it is contradicted by the manga! Garlic Jr doesn't even exist! The anime filler is quite frankly irrelevant considering it is contradicted by the manga. You can stick to the anime if you want but half of what you say is irrelevant. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter and it won't win any debates. In the manga Tenshinhan has more feats than Krillin. Yamcha>Krillin according to 20's statement in the anime and that is all really. Anyway i'm done having a silly convo about Krillin's anime feats lol (who is a frickin gag character in the anime btw). Edited by Cocoman, Nov 3 2011, 05:01 PM.
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| Kblo247 | Nov 3 2011, 05:09 PM Post #48 |
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Half of what I say can't be irrelevant if the damn battle power list is based on the anime and inclusive of its filler. You are just to stubborn to admit you are wrong and won't accept any argument as to why what you say is wrong. If you want to discus the manga go talk about a list that excludes the anime and its filler, not one that does. It isn't that hard to comprehend that you are are ignoring the parameters of the actual thread at hand. Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 05:11 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 05:20 PM Post #49 |
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I don't get why Cocoman is constantly using a Diaz line to back himself up even though he constantly says he's against using it in some arguments but then uses it in others to supports his argument. Anyway I'm trying not to get personal so: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17921 Akira Interview " (11) What's up with the third eye on my main man Tenshinhan? Is Tenshinhan human? - Charles Moyer, California; Evan Coltin, Via Internet T: In certain parts of Asia, beings with a third eye on their forehead are thought to be godlike and are said to possess the power of true seeing. It seems that Tenshinhan, who was raised by the evil Tsuru-Sen'nin [Crane Hermit], lost the ability to use the myriad powers of his third eye for good purposes. " So no, the Diaz contradicts Akira who wrote the manga. |
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Nov 3 2011, 05:27 PM Post #50 |
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...and Goku wasn't supposed to be a Saiyan when he was 1st drawn and Piccolo wasn't supposed to be Namekian. What's your point? There is such a thing as 'changing your mind'. The Daizenshuu statement isn't contradicted by the manga at all. Anyway;
Remember Gods in DBZ aren't classified as "human". Either way that doesn't help your argument. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 05:38 PM Post #51 |
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lol did you even read the statement? He was asked if he was human and he basically said yes, the third eye doesn't indicate that you aren't human since "...". He didn't ignore his question, he was killing two birds with one stone. If you couldn't even get that then idk lol. And no "godlike" doesn't = God in DBZ, unless it specifically says God. Dende is literally called "God". And just because most God's aren't human doesn't mean this one can't be. "In certain parts of Asia, beings with a third eye on their forehead" - this literally says that he's a descendent from some tribe on Earth whatever type of tribe it may be. Oh and just so you know: http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link Go to Earthlings.
The Diaz does consider him of from a tribe of 3 eyed people, but also an Earthling. It says that the 3 eyed people were originally descendents of alien. So even in the Diaz he's classified in the same group as the rest of the humans.
So in order for him to be classified as an Earthling by the great Diaz itself, his ancestry would have mixed with humans at some point. I don't know who jumped the gun when reading the Diaz and said that Tenshinhan was an alien, but they obviously missed that bold point. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 06:28 PM.
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Nov 3 2011, 06:44 PM Post #52 |
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But you're forgetting that 'humans' in dbz doesn't relate to any race. It just relates to being a certain group. For example the Saiyans are human, the Earthlings are human etc while Piccolo Daimao is a demon, Kibito is heavenly being and the Kaios/Kaioshins are gods. The difference is Tenshinhan isn't completely an Earthling like Krillin and co. The 3rd eye is irrelevant. It's more to do with the bizarre techniques he uses; "he has physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling, such as splitting into four people, and growing arms from his shoulders." In short that interview is inconclusive. I think it's pretty clear that Tenshinhan was regarded as 'different' to normal Earthlings. His unique abilities are proof of this or else AT would have Roshi and Goku growing arms and *****. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 07:00 PM Post #53 |
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Saiyans are human? Where does it say that? According to the Diaz, that's wrong. Here are the people classified humans according to the Diaz (I'm using the Diaz since that's the only place where it says this - the manga does not support Tien being a non-human): http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link
He isn't completely an Earthling, but according to the Diaz which is what we're arguing, he's enough % to be classified as one. The Diaz literally says he descendant of "people". Unlike Gohan who is classified as a Saiyan since he isn't enough Earthling.
That Diaz line does not mean that he's not human since another part classifies him as human. With that knowledge you can read it how it should be read: physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling That means he has characteristics that are inhuman. That doesn't mean that he's classified as a non Earthling since the Diaz doesn't do that itself. Many people have non-earthling characteristics and are still classified as Earthlings even :
Few more: Krillin does not have a nose. Roshi buffs up way past human capacity. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 07:04 PM.
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Nov 3 2011, 07:20 PM Post #54 |
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Actually the Daizenshuu regards all hybrids as Earthlings according to this diagram; ![]() Exactly his characteristics make him differently from normal Earthlings, in other words, unique. The other people's characteristics aren't really relevant. Krillin's lack of a nose isn't unique. Neither is Roshi's buffing up. There are people around who have no nose and there are other people in the DB universe who can buff up. Growing arms and splitting into several different people is unique to Tenshinhan. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 07:32 PM Post #55 |
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Non-martial artist earthlings:
So yes even Earthlings with unique characteristics are up there. Again the Diaz literally says that tien is descendant of humans without beating around the bush. I don't know what's up with that picture but it's completely contradicting what the Diaz says here about Sayians being classified other than Earthlings.
edit: I just realized that gohan is on both so I don't know what's up with that. Maybe 50% is the breaking point to be Earthling? basically if the diaz were held true and gohan is included in the statement, it means the diaz contradicts the manga since Gohan > Krillin. Then again maybe the translation is off and Yamcha meant only humans. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 07:40 PM.
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Nov 3 2011, 07:46 PM Post #56 |
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I cba discussing this with you any more. I have another scan which describes Goku, Vegeta, Dende etc as naturalized Earthlings but I'm not going to bother. You really should try not to come across like your opinion means anything;
Oh and btw I guess you have Krillin>Uub considering you have EOZ Krillin>Tenshinhan right? |
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| Kblo247 | Nov 3 2011, 07:46 PM Post #57 |
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Krillin didn't have a nose, didn't make him any less human. Since this list is anime based, you better remember that Krillin was also able to split himself into three people vs Nappa, showing what he called his tri form technique. Can't the human or earthling Son Gohan depending on your translation be the original Grandpa Gohan, who the family got their Son name from? Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 08:28 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 07:57 PM Post #58 |
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I admit that Krillin > Tien EOZ is opinion (but I will do some research on Yamacha's abilities). The diaz is too conclusive in this aspect
So there's no point of arguing that. Tien descends from humans according to the Diaz. He has unique abilities thanks to his ancestry, which is why it's believe his techniques are Earthling. Tien not being human is not stated in the manga, but the Diaz clearly says he's decedent from a human tribe which in turn were descendant from aliens. Using selective reading, you can come to the conclusion that it's just "impossible to think of being those of an Earthling" without reading it in context. The Diaz is only talking about his techniques that are out of this world. Obviously I don't think Krillin > Uub since he wasn't alive at the time. |
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Nov 3 2011, 08:19 PM Post #59 |
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Didn't you read my post? ALL OF THEM ARE HUMANS INC THE SAIYANS etc. You're the one being selective. Tenshinhan is a hybrid as is Gohan.Kaioshin and Elder Kaioshin call Gohan an Earthling so if you want to take it as it is then Krillin>Gohan. I thought AT was stating that Krillin is the strongest Earthling in the manga and since that isn't contradicted then Krillin must be >Uub right? I'm done here. Reply if you want yada, yada. Edited by Cocoman, Nov 3 2011, 08:20 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2011, 08:26 PM Post #60 |
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Well the Diaz says that Tien is human, not only Earthling which is my point. Kaioshin called Gohan an Earthling at best, not a human. So I was wrong about the whole Earthling thing which is stated in the Diaz (since Gohan is also Earthling according to the Diaz), but Tien is human according to the Diaz and Gohan is not.
AT was stating it at a certain time period. You need to read it in context for it to be right. Taking things out of context is what causes problems
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Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 08:27 PM.
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