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O I forgot about the Goku thing. Thanks for reminding me.

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(note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

He thought it was weird that Tien wasn't at least the tournament - it's not surprising since Tien never did anything together with them other than fight the main enemies. Also very important note: Tien was not there for the reunion after beating Buu. Goku was not surprised. The rest of them at least had some plot relations. So the claim that Yamcha forgot Tien as person is outrageous unless you're being blinded by ignorance and preference of character.

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Once again, 7 friggen years we're talking about. I don't see why Yamcha, who was far removed from battle, would remember. Goku only remembered when they were at the punching machine (note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

And even 100 years later, as long as 3 were alive, the power makeup would NOT change. The power makeup is far too ingrained for him to forget. Maybe he'd forget Tien as a person, or maybe his personality if you wanna exaggerate that much, but the power makeup of Earth - not happening.

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Also he used the term 'among Earthlings' which is interesting when you consider Gohan was called an 'Earthling' so even if you want to take it literally, it's not completely clear.

Then there's the question whether Tenshinhan was considered 'Earthling' as such.

Gohan was half Earthling. The Daiz is opinion, and the Diaz itself never said that Tien was an alien directly. It actually more implied that he was from a different tribe. Also the third eye was from meditation.
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That is talking about Cyborg Tao Pai Pai at the 23rd Budokai. Tao said he many times stronger than before and Krillin came to the conclusion that he wasn't beatable.

He came to the conclusion prior to his ability to sense.


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Yes that was Roshi, Krillin and Yamcha talking about Tenshinhan after he defeated Tao Pai Pai.
They seen Tao's movements and came to the conclusion that either one of them would need to gang up on him

Tenshinhan>>Cyborg Tao Pai Pai>Krillin ~ Yamcha.

...And i'll repeat;

Goku>Piccolo>>Tenshinhan>/>Goku(weighted)~Tenshinhan(holding back)>Piccolo Daimao (Young)~Piccolo(holding back)>Krillin>/*~Yamcha

*It's even doubtful Krillin was stronger than Yamcha considering at the 22nd they were near equals.

While I still disagree with your power placing, if Krillin said "Maybe he’s a little too strong" to Tien I take back Tien => Krillin in the 23rd.

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Tenshinhan would have been a county mile ahead of Krillin at the start of Z if he hadn't been chased around by Lunch (imo)

I swear I hope you're joking.

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Yamcha would have been near equals with Krillin is he didn't stop fighting/didn't have relationship problems (in AT contributed filler he is depicted as a baseball player).

True, he'd probably be a lot closer.




You've lost me. If he's forgot the person, why would he remember how powerful he was?

Kaioshin calls Gohan an Earthling even though he had prior knowledge of his Saiyan ancestry (I don't have the Viz at hand but I'm sure 'Teen GohanZ' posted the quote from his copy).

Also it more or less says he cannot be regarded as an Earthling;

"As a descendent of the alien Three-Eyed People, he has physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling."

The meditation bull***** was said in a video game. It's funny how you take that over a guide which AT heavily approved of;

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This last daizenshuu, volume 7, is a grand DragonBall encyclopedia. Each time I think that the whole staff which makes these books has a really tough time of it, but this time seemed even more hellish. They truly did a great job.

I'm intensely forgetful, so despite being the author there are many things I don't understand anymore. It can be quite a pain, so I think it would have really been a life-saver if this grand encyclopedia had been around during serialization. It's a little frustrating.

Well at any rate, my sincerest thanks to the staff, and to all DragonBall fans.

– Toriyama Akira


And btw the Daizenshuu was written by basically himself and a few of his assistants.


Sensing isn't everything. Krillin knew how strong Tao was via Roshi and Goku and knew that he was many times stronger than that.

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai>Krillin.


My power placing is basically factual.


It was AT's idea that Lunch was endlessly chasing Tenshinhan. Think about the disturbances THAT would cause. Krillin was already stomp material at the beginning of Z but without Lunch he would have been uber stomp material.
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Nov 3 2011, 02:35 AM
O I forgot about the Goku thing. Thanks for reminding me.

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(note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

He thought it was weird that Tien wasn't at least the tournament - it's not surprising since Tien never did anything together with them other than fight the main enemies. The rest of them at least had some plot relations. So the claim that Yamcha forgot Tien as person is outrageous unless you're being blinded by ignorance and preference of character.
Coming from the guy who thinks Krillin>Tenshinhan? That's gold.
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Nov 3 2011, 02:35 AM
O I forgot about the Goku thing. Thanks for reminding me.

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(note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

He thought it was weird that Tien wasn't at least the tournament - it's not surprising since Tien never did anything together with them other than fight the main enemies. The rest of them at least had some plot relations. So the claim that Yamcha forgot Tien as person is outrageous unless you're being blinded by ignorance and preference of character.
Coming from the guy who thinks Krillin>Tenshinhan? That's gold.
Well maybe you should address the matter instead of going into personal attack as usual when you lose. You can't always be right.

Even if he forgot the personage, there's no way he'd forget the makeup of Earth's top 3. Let's go this far - and exaggerate along with you - he forgot Tien's name, but he wouldn't make the statement that Krillin is on top since he still knows the makeup of top 3. He'd be more along the lines of "Krillin is among the strongest humans" rather than "Krillin is the strongest human".

Goku didn't forget during "7~~~~~Years", so there's no reason for Yamcha to forget. Toriyama basically proved right there how blatantly horrible the theory that "Yamcha forgot is". Yamcha AND Goku were not surprised when Tien didn't show for the "love" gathering, but when he wasn't seen at the tournament that was a different story. So no, forgetting Tien is not even close to plausible.

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Nov 3 2011, 02:49 AM
Well maybe you should address the matter instead of going into personal attack as usual when you lose. You can't always be right. Goku didn't forget during "7~~~~~Years", so there's no reason for Yamcha to forget. Yamcha AND Goku were not surprised when Tien didn't show for the "love" gathering, but when he wasn't seen at the tournament that was a different story.

Even if he forgot the personage, there's no way he'd forget the makeup of Earth's top 3. Let's go this far - and exaggerate along with you - he forgot Tien's name, but he wouldn't make the statement that Krillin is on top since he still knows the makeup of top 3. He'd be more along the lines of "Krillin is among the strongest humans" rather than "Krillin is the strongest human".
I haven't 'lost' anything thank you very much.

There simply isn't any reason why Tenshinhan would be included in that statement. Simple.
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So now you understand why "forgetting" Yamcha doesn't make an ounce of sense? I'll tackle one thing at a time and see where it goes.

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Nov 3 2011, 02:49 AM
Well maybe you should address the matter instead of going into personal attack as usual when you lose. You can't always be right. Goku didn't forget during "7~~~~~Years", so there's no reason for Yamcha to forget. Yamcha AND Goku were not surprised when Tien didn't show for the "love" gathering, but when he wasn't seen at the tournament that was a different story.

Even if he forgot the personage, there's no way he'd forget the makeup of Earth's top 3. Let's go this far - and exaggerate along with you - he forgot Tien's name, but he wouldn't make the statement that Krillin is on top since he still knows the makeup of top 3. He'd be more along the lines of "Krillin is among the strongest humans" rather than "Krillin is the strongest human".
I haven't 'lost' anything thank you very much.

There simply isn't any reason why Tenshinhan would be included in that statement. Simple.
Sure why would a guy who broke his leg, competed at tournaments with them, trained with Roshi along side them, stood up to King Piccolo with them, trained with Kami and Korin with them, died versus the saiyans with them, made the trip to King Kai with him, showed up to fight Frieza, trained 3 years for the androids, and fought the Cell Jrs alongside them be included.

Not like they have enough history to remember one another.
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Nov 3 2011, 03:21 AM
So now you understand why "forgetting" Yamcha doesn't make an ounce of sense? I'll tackle one thing at a time and see where it goes.

Lol, you certainly have a high opinion of yourself when you really don't come across as someone who knows very much about Dragonball. I have been the one quoting the manga while you have even misquoted your only 'supporting' quote.
In fact, I have proven you wrong more than you have proven me wrong so get off your high horse.
Regardless I can't take what you say seriously tbh after;

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Vegito base would be around 4 mil and freeza around 12 mil. Vegito powered up would be around 11 mil. Freeza still wins.

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When looking at the bigger picture - such as looking at Goku vs Freeza 1%


@Kblo, there are so many looopholes it's not even funny.

If you want to take the statement as it is I guess we have to make Krillin>Gohan eh?
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Personal attacks aside (as usual, sigh). Do you know why Yamcha forgetting makes no sense now? Personally I don't mind being wrong. I'll admit when I'm wrong too. I don't take this nearly that seriously. But let's tackle this one at a time.

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Nov 3 2011, 03:21 AM
So now you understand why "forgetting" Yamcha doesn't make an ounce of sense? I'll tackle one thing at a time and see where it goes.

Lol, you certainly have a high opinion of yourself when you really don't come across as someone who knows very much about Dragonball. I have been the one quoting the manga while you have even misquoted your only 'supporting' quote.
In fact, I have proven you wrong more than you have proven me wrong so get off your high horse.
Regardless I can't take what you say seriously tbh after;

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Vegito base would be around 4 mil and freeza around 12 mil. Vegito powered up would be around 11 mil. Freeza still wins.

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When looking at the bigger picture - such as looking at Goku vs Freeza 1%


@Kblo, there are so many looopholes it's not even funny.

If you want to take the statement as it is I guess we have to make Krillin>Gohan eh?
Some translations say human, not always earthling. Anyone who lives on earth is an earthling from Goku to Vegeta to Piccolo to Mr Buu.

Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien were earthlings (if you go by Vegeta always saying earth scum) / humans.

Remember this list is filler inclusive, which means the anime plays a large part as the guide when I break this down

Frieza
Before the battle with Frieza even happens, the others arrive on King Kai's planet. Goku is told by Piccolo forget what King Kai says and wish me back because me, you, Gohan, and Krillin will show Frieza who is boss in front of the other 3; he completely dismissed the thought of them being a help against the all mighty tyrant after they all traveled Snake Way and fought the saiyans but he didn't discount what Krillin could do. The fact is Krillin at the end of the day was stronger than Yamcha and Tien versus Frieza, as Piccolo declared him a big power when he arrived on namek, and no one at King Kai's place was as strong as Picccolo. Vegeta also declared him a big help. Krillin got progressively stronger, and Tien stayed longer in other world where he defeated The Purple Comet.

Garlic/Trunks
They both are shown training . In fact Krillin is shown to be training with weights and fighting in the Garlic/Trunks saga so he won't let Goku down and will be ready to fight if he is needed, while Tien is seen in his weighted gear as well and implied to be training (Yamcha was a bum chilling and enjoying peace).

Androids
They both are shown training for 3 years to prepare for the androids. Krillin stated to Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo that he would be just as confident as Goku too if he had a ssj transformation to fall back on, but he showed up to a fight where they were told don't come if you can't hack it. Krillin gets ambushed by Gero but shook it off to follow him. He then doesn't attack the androids, who Kami makes a point to say never actually initiated any fight. Tien attacked 17 and was basically being choked out before Vegeta and later on Piccolo both made an attempt to save him. Krillin goes to move and hide Goku. Tien goes to get Chou and train. They both sense Cell and come running to help Piccolo in Tien's case and Trunks/Piccolo in Krillin's case.

Cell
Krillin physically knocked back Imperfect Cell and made him scream, not with an amplified blast but with his own strength. Tien used the neo tribeam to push him back in one spot so he could elevate, but he did know damage to anyone but himself as he put his life force into the attack to make up for his ki not being strong enough. Krillin attacked both semi and perfect cell. He had no effect on semi, much like the androids. He would be struck by Cell and feel Cell's true power in that instant and note Vegeta had no chance and trunks needed to stop waiting and release his real power to save Vegeta. The Cell games came and Tien decided against training and taking part, he was just going to watch with Yamcha at ringside. Krillin planned on taking part in the tournament after Roshi forbid him from facing Cell before it, and he was said to have taken Goku's advice and train in the outside world in preparation aside from the day he spent at the picnic and fishing with Gohan and Goku. All the Z fighters are attacked by the Jrs in an attempt to send Gohan over the edge. Piccolo takes out the Jrs that are facing Yamcha and Tien so they can protect Goku, and they land a double team hit before being beaten up on. Krillin faces his initial Jr, and the Jr scored ZERO hits vs Krillin whatsoever; he isn't touched until one attacks him off guard from underneath. Then they all help distract Cell later.

Saiyaman/World Tournament/Babadi/Buu/Fusion/Kid Buu
The tournament is announced and Goku decides to compete. Gohan goes and tells Krillin who he says stopped training and grew his hair after he had a family (wife and kid). 18 tells him to enter and she trains with him leading up to the tournament, in fact Roshi states she is really making him work and he thinks to his own self that he has to look good for his family. Yamcha flat out thinks that Krillin is the strongest human there is to himself. Krillin has to be physically restrained when Gohan is attacked at the tournament, and he decides to go and face Babadi's minions even when Supreme Kai described him as being so far above Frieza. He only got gun shy when he saw Dabura and Goku told him to go back so he didn't have to deal with his wife. Fast forward to after Buu emerges and the boys are taken to the tower. Krillin is shown sparring evenly with Goten on the lookout. He attempts to attack Super Buu and gets eaten in an attempt to let the others escape. Tien shows up versus Gohan Buu and deflects a blast sent at Dende with his Neo Tri Beam, and is then knocked out by a kick from half Buu. Krillin is sent to King Kai at Grand Kai's place as a plan B to protect the earth, as he and the Supreme Kai didn't know about Vegeta being Yemma's plan. While Vegito fights, Krillin and Yamcha are told they can stay and train because they have earned their place for their past deeds. Yamcha who by his own admission is the weakest of the main bunch (Chou doesn't count) totally owns Olibu who base Goku couldn't even follow 7 years ago, was on par with the Pikkon who one shotted Cell when off guard, and had 7 years to progress. Krillin and Yamcha spar and Kid Buu senses them across the universe. Kid Buu basically scares off the other world fighters there including Pikkon. Krillin attacked him and cut him in half, and he and Yamcha tried to offset his impending planet buster which would have wiped them out of existence.


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Once again my points are that if you include filler:

1) Krillin has to be stronger than Tien logically at least until the Cell Games. In the anime he was shown to be fighting and training more even post Frieza, and he was said to be the one who trained among the humans to actually compete in the games. And Yamcha logically had the chance to make the evaluation in that arc.

2) Krillin has to be way stronger in the Buu saga than listed for Yamcha, the weakest of the Z fighters to be able to treat Olibu and another fighter like they were trash. Buu sensed them across the universe in a realm that isn't readily sensible so they had to be putting out one heck of a display of power. That isn't saying Tien is weaker or stronger than him, it is just saying that they have to both be a hell of a lot stronger if Yamcha can treat what should be an even stronger Olibu after 7 years of training like that.
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When Goku powers up, Trunks *****s himself. The look on his face is priceless. It's definitely beyond any power he's felt before.


But like I said you can't just judge power outputs by facial expressions. And the fact 50% Goku fought evenly the same suppression of Cell that was much weaker USSJ2 Trunks he should be weaker than Trunks as well. Trunks' real power is USSJ, not USSJ2.

50% Goku would beat USSJ2 Trunks in a fight just as easily as Cell did, but he's still a lot lower in ki.

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That was just his transformation, I don't think that was him unleashing his full SSjin power. You'd think he'd be at full power since he was trying to reach Cell quickly.

I don't remember Trunks only being in SSjin right there.


When Trunks jumped in front of Semi Cell he was only SSJ, he wasnt in grade 2/USSJ. Trunks wouldnt do that unless he was stronger than Cell, and also Semi Cell was afraid of him. SSJ Trunks > Semi Cell full power.
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But like I said you can't just judge power outputs by facial expressions.

Why not? :huh: Facial expressions tell a lot in the series. That's half of how I do it: statements and actions (which expressions would fall under).
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And the fact 50% Goku fought evenly the same suppression of Cell that was much weaker USSJ2 Trunks he should be weaker than Trunks as well.

50% Goku would beat USSJ2 Trunks in a fight just as easily as Cell did, but he's still a lot lower in ki.

That was only a display of 50%. It's not as if he stayed at that level the entire time. He'd have no reason to stay at 50% if he was resting the next couple of days with his family.
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Trunks' real power is USSJ, not USSJ2.

How do you figure this?
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When Trunks jumped in front of Semi Cell he was only SSJ, he wasnt in grade 2/USSJ. Trunks wouldnt do that unless he was stronger than Cell, and also Semi Cell was afraid of him. SSJ Trunks > Semi Cell full power.

Maybe you're talking about the anime stretching it out or something. There wasn't any fear of Trunks in the manga, just surprise that he was in his way. Trunks also went straight to Grade 2 in an instant once Cell started going for #18, so I don't think he would've had any trouble doing so if Cell had actually tried to fight him. Vegeta just seemed to be dragging it out for show similar to how Goku dragged out his display of Kaio-ken to Ginyu.

Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P3.1-2
Context: as Vegeta is about to fight second form Cell
Trunks: “Father intends to ‘become’ that right off the bat…! [Become] that…!”

Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P5.3-4
Piccolo: “It’s started. His ki is increasing and increasing!!!”
Tenshinhan: “It-it’s a stupendous ki…!”

Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P10.2
Context: as Vegeta continues to turn into a Super Saiyan Grade II
Piccolo: “…It-it’s still increasing…!”
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Some translations say human, not always earthling. Anyone who lives on earth is an earthling from Goku to Vegeta to Piccolo to Mr Buu.


What translations say human?

Also that is exactly the point. Who's to say that Yamcha's statement isn't just foreshadowing the arrival of super strong non-Earthlings? (Buu, etc.)

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Frieza
Before the battle with Frieza even happens, the others arrive on King Kai's planet. Goku is told by Piccolo forget what King Kai says and wish me back because me, you, Gohan, and Krillin will show Frieza who is boss in front of the other 3; he completely dismissed the thought of them being a help against the all mighty tyrant after they all traveled Snake Way and fought the saiyans but he didn't discount what Krillin could do. The fact is Krillin at the end of the day was stronger than Yamcha and Tien versus Frieza, as Piccolo declared him a big power when he arrived on namek, and no one at King Kai's place was as strong as Picccolo. Vegeta also declared him a big help. Krillin got progressively stronger, and Tien stayed longer in other world where he defeated The Purple Comet.


In the manga Tenshinhan and Piccolo are already doing their own training while Yamcha is still catching Bubbles and Chaozu is receiving advice from Kaio so the Piccolo>>Tesnhinhan card doesn't work. They are shown to be in a different league than the others.
Remember Krillin was dead for 5 months while Tenshinhan was still training.

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Garlic/Trunks
They both are shown training . In fact Krillin is shown to be training with weights and fighting in the Garlic/Trunks saga so he won't let Goku down and will be ready to fight if he is needed, while Tien is seen in his weighted gear as well and implied to be training (Yamcha was a bum chilling and enjoying peace).


In the manga Krillin is shown wearing casual clothes;
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It could be argued that Krillin was enjoying peace throughout the 1 year and a few months gap. If anything he is implied to be doing light training (at best) like Vegeta was doing.

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Androids
They both are shown training for 3 years to prepare for the androids. Krillin stated to Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo that he would be just as confident as Goku too if he had a ssj transformation to fall back on, but he showed up to a fight where they were told don't come if you can't hack it. Krillin gets ambushed by Gero but shook it off to follow him. He then doesn't attack the androids, who Kami makes a point to say never actually initiated any fight. Tien attacked 17 and was basically being choked out before Vegeta and later on Piccolo both made an attempt to save him. Krillin goes to move and hide Goku. Tien goes to get Chou and train. They both sense Cell and come running to help Piccolo in Tien's case and Trunks/Piccolo in Krillin's case.


Tenshinhan is picked over Krillin in their 1st confrontation with the Androids and after Trunks suggests that he should go to Gero's lab, Piccolo picks Tenshinhan over Krillin to hunt down Cell.

Also in that filler scene with 20, 20 says that he is weak and that his level of energy would have no use to him. So Yamcha>Krillin according to that.

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Cell
Krillin physically knocked back Imperfect Cell and made him scream, not with an amplified blast but with his own strength. Tien used the neo tribeam to push him back in one spot so he could elevate, but he did know damage to anyone but himself as he put his life force into the attack to make up for his ki not being strong enough. Krillin attacked both semi and perfect cell. He had no effect on semi, much like the androids. He would be struck by Cell and feel Cell's true power in that instant and note Vegeta had no chance and trunks needed to stop waiting and release his real power to save Vegeta. The Cell games came and Tien decided against training and taking part, he was just going to watch with Yamcha at ringside. Krillin planned on taking part in the tournament after Roshi forbid him from facing Cell before it, and he was said to have taken Goku's advice and train in the outside world in preparation aside from the day he spent at the picnic and fishing with Gohan and Goku. All the Z fighters are attacked by the Jrs in an attempt to send Gohan over the edge. Piccolo takes out the Jrs that are facing Yamcha and Tien so they can protect Goku, and they land a double team hit before being beaten up on. Krillin faces his initial Jr, and the Jr scored ZERO hits vs Krillin whatsoever; he isn't touched until one attacks him off guard from underneath. Then they all help distract Cell later.


That filler is outrageously bad. Also Yamcha was planning on fighting in the Cell games as well until Vegeta calls them all weak and says that he would defeat Cell.
In fact Yamcha floored Krillin in their sparring so once again, Yamcha>Krillin in the anime.
Yamcha and Tenshinhan were actually blocking the Cell Jr's attacks and they managed to fully restrain one and falcon kick it.
Krillin just got one hit K/O'd after Piccolo saved him from one.


I'm not going to comment much on the Buu arc filler because there is not much to compare Tenshinhan with but Yamcha and Krillin were fighting fairly evenly in the afterlife.
Krillin~Yamcha.


In short there is nothing there suggesting Krillin>Tenshinhan and in fact there is more suggesting Yamcha>Krillin hahha.


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why not? :huh: Facial expressions tell a lot in the series. That's half of how I do it: statements and actions (which expressions would fall under).


Because there were lots of surprised facial expressions for other powers. It wasn't even that big or much of a surprise from Trunks really. Vegeta gets surprised facial expression from seeing Gohan at 2,800 in the Saiyan arc where he had an 18,000 battle power.

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How do you figure this


Because it's an ill effective form...it's not effective at all. The only reason Trunks used it is because he was unaware of it's flaws. It's implied Vegeta had it and he never used it on Cell.

Also, during the Cell games for instance when Cell told Gohan he was going to show him his "true terrifying power" did he go buff? No.
Nobody aware of that form's flaws considers it considers it their real power.

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That was only a display of 50%. It's not as if he stayed at that level the entire time. He'd have no reason to stay at 50% if he was resting the next couple of days with his family.


Yeah but this is Mastered Super Saiyan, he likely did stay at 50%...when he was fighting Cell in the warm up no one (other than Gohan) knew Goku was still suppressed. Everyone thinks 50% Goku is 100% Goku and none of them watching the fight said "hey, this is way weaker than what Goku displayed on Korin tower". He should be at 50% there in his warm up with Cell and not just some random power. Also remember in the ROSAT he learned to stay in Super Saiyan for what was likely months..so 10 days at half power is nothing at this point.
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It can't be argued in the anime which the list is largely based on that Krillin sat around and enjoyed times of peace in that year. He was shown training to be ready and never let Goku down again, and fighting Garlic Jr (shrugged off Yamchas attack while supressed and knocked around Gohan while acting as well) in that year gap. He was also shown training at Kame House well before he even went to see Bulma once he presumably heard Vegeta returned to earth, as that is when he shows up at Capsule Corp. Then he goes to Roshis and detects Frieza coming, which prompts him to call Gohan so they can go head him off.

Yamcha was picked over Gohan to go down into the city by Goku as well, doesn't make him stronger by Yamchas own admission. Krillin got him the senzu bean and he and Gohan were ready to go once they knew Yamcha was fine. And it was Krillin, not Trunks who made the plan to kill the present cell in the lab after several questions about how timelines would impact one another.Trunks went with him and Tien volunteered to go with Piccolo. Again that happened in the anime and Kai which this list comes from.

Gero had absorbed the energy of Vegeta and Piccolo, yet was useless, Krillin or Tien or Gohan for that matter was not going to make him with one hand strong enough to win without 17 and 18.

You really going to bring up the slip filler where Yamcha kicks Krillin and falls flat, then playfully kicks him in the face as he gets up while Krillin is saying are you makign fun of me, and ignore that Yamcha (and Tien) said he would not fight period at the Cell games when the others in Trunks, Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, 16, Piccolo, and Krillin were all set to go to the tourney. Krillin had to be forbade to go confront Cell by his one and only master who he lived with until the Cell Games. He said he would be ready and train, and Goku commented on him as well as he and Gohan being ready during their day together.

Yamcha and Tien were on the defensive but they only caught one off guard from behind. Krillin never got a single punch landed on him in the anime by his cell jr. Piccolo attacked his just like he did theirs. One of theirs that had been downed came from below and snuck him off guard. After that happens they all get pummeled, the only difference is that Krillin remains conscious while the other two are knocked out.

The fact Yamcha thinks he is the strongest with the qualifier sn't foreshadowing. No one can sense Buu on earth. No one including Piccolo even knew he was there. It was an assessment that he had no need to make unless if it held true at least when they were all last together at the games or some point between.

There is also the fact that in the pillar, it was Krillin chasing Yamcha through the pillar 3/4 times. Iirc in fact Yamcha isn't shown landing a punch just after shocks when he blocks Krillin.

And will you admit that in the anime, which once again the list is based on, Krillin showed more physical displays of power In the series and speed as a fighter than Tien did?

Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 04:51 PM.
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