Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Rotation Advertisements



We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum.


If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away.


Click here to Register!

If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk


If you're already a member please log in to your account:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 6
Victorious Battle Power chart
Topic Started: Nov 2 2011, 05:00 PM (5,527 Views)
Cocoman
Member Avatar
Badabing!

illstand1
Nov 2 2011, 11:45 PM
I like the way you say AT makes a point when it's Tien never seeing them again, but when it's Yamcha saying it, now it's only Yamcha saying it. Seems like someone is being hypocritical about being a "fan boy".

Yamcha couldn't have forgotten the person he got owned by in dragonball unless he thinks that Tien became fodder in Z.

It's contradicted heavily by Yamcha. Actually I think that it's a little like this during DB the 23rd.

Goku => Picollo Jr.
Picollo Jr. > Krillin
Goku >> Tien

Leading to

Tien => Krillin
Think about it. AT is intentionally making a point that Tenshinhan would move on and be forgotten about thus making the 'strongest Earthling' statement intentionally excluding Tenshinhan. It's not hard to understand.

7 years is a loooo~ng time. If there wasn't even a mention about Tenshinhan, he could have been forgotten in 2.


There should be a monstrous gap between Tenshinhan and Krillin at the 23rd Budokai;

Kuririn: “Hey, Goku…This Tao Pai Pai guy was an incredibly amazing assassin, right? And he’s gotten even more incredible now, so why are you saying that it doesn’t matter?...”
Goku: “It’s simple. ‘Cause Tenshinhan is even more amazing.”

Kame-sennin: “Wow…To think that he’s grown into that great a martial artist…I no longer have any role to play at all…”
Yamcha: “Boy, I give up…”
Kuririn: “Maybe he’s a little too strong…”

Also Yamcha and Krillin think that Tao Pai Pai needs to be ganged up on while Tenshinhan knocks him out in a single hit.


Goku>Piccolo>>Tenshinhan>/>Goku(weighted)~Tenshinhan(holding back)>Piccolo Daimao (Young)~Piccolo(holding back)>Krillin>/~Yamcha

Please read the manga before coming up with false power chains.
Edited by Cocoman, Nov 3 2011, 12:19 AM.
Posted Image
Tony Soprano
 
I'm the mother *****in *****in one who calls the shots.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


Quote:
 
Think about it. AT is intentionally making a point that Tenshinhan would move on and be forgotten about thus making the 'strongest Earthling' statement intentionally excluding Tenshinhan. It's not hard to understand.

7 years is a loooo~ng time. If there wasn't even a mention about Tenshinhan, he could have been forgotten in 2.

Maybe if it was chouzu or yajriobe yes, he could have been forgotten. But the human strength make up on Earth was very clear making that literally impossible

Krillin
Tien
Yamcha

There's no way he'd overlook someone who was #2. It's not like he was saying a random statement. He was making an analytical statement since he corrected himself to "humans".

Quote:
 

Kuririn: “Hey, Goku…This Tao Pai Pai guy was an incredibly amazing assassin, right? And he’s gotten even more incredible now, so why are you saying that it doesn’t matter?...”
Goku: “It’s simple. ‘Cause Tenshinhan is even more amazing.”


Ok so why does this matter. Krillin would own general tao.

Quote:
 
Kame-sennin: “Wow…To think that he’s grown into that great a martial artist…I no longer have any role to play at all…”
Yamcha: “Boy, I give up…”
Kuririn: “Maybe he’s a little too strong…”

Also Yamcha and Krillin think that Tao Pai Pai needs to be ganged up on while Tenshinhan knocks him out in a single hit.

'Kuririn: “Maybe he’s a little too strong…”" was this in reference to Tien being too strong? If so, I see your point.
But if you mean only krillin+yamcha's statement they can't sense PL's yet and they didn't see Tao fight first hand yet. I wouldn't doubt they both own tao.
Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 12:28 AM.

Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kblo247
Member Avatar


Cocoman
Nov 2 2011, 11:37 PM
AT makes a point that Tenshinhan would probably never see them again after the Cell games and Yamcha forgets about him. Simple.
You must be a Krillin fanboy to think that Yamcha's statement meant EOZ Krillin>Tenshinhan. Just saying.

Tenshinhan>>>>Krillin is not contradicted.
Tien being greater at the end of z or cell games is never stated out right or implied either. Where they were after Cell is debatable, the fact Yamcha thought to himself about the strength of Krillin in co parison to himself and Tien last they were together at the games or later is not debatable.

Krillin just has to be stronger is my point. Heck he and Tien both have to be über stronger when you factor in filler, which this list does, because of how Yamcha handled Olibu despite considering himself to be inferior to the other warriors
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Edited by Mihawk, Nov 3 2011, 12:52 AM.

Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ KingOfAllSaiyans
Member Avatar


illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM
Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Yes but when you dont have much to go off of, you have to ASSUME and it is implied that Tien was CONSTANTLY training. Whereas Krillin obviously wasnt.
Posted Image
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


KingOfAllSaiyans
Nov 3 2011, 12:55 AM
illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM
Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Yes but when you dont have much to go off of, you have to ASSUME and it is implied that Tien was CONSTANTLY training. Whereas Krillin obviously wasnt.
No, lol, you have to ASSUME that the author thought the character was fodder in the newer series. I

Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ KingOfAllSaiyans
Member Avatar


illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:57 AM
KingOfAllSaiyans
Nov 3 2011, 12:55 AM
illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM
Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Yes but when you dont have much to go off of, you have to ASSUME and it is implied that Tien was CONSTANTLY training. Whereas Krillin obviously wasnt.
No, lol, you have to ASSUME that the author thought the character was fodder in the newer series. I
It is really just common sense that someone who trains constantly is going to be stronger than someone who doesnt train.

Its just my opinion that Tien>Krillin, if that is not your's then so be it.
Posted Image
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


KingOfAllSaiyans
Nov 3 2011, 01:08 AM
illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:57 AM
KingOfAllSaiyans
Nov 3 2011, 12:55 AM
illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM
Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Yes but when you dont have much to go off of, you have to ASSUME and it is implied that Tien was CONSTANTLY training. Whereas Krillin obviously wasnt.
No, lol, you have to ASSUME that the author thought the character was fodder in the newer series. I
It is really just common sense that someone who trains constantly is going to be stronger than someone who doesnt train.

Its just my opinion that Tien>Krillin, if that is not your's then so be it.
I know. Putting away my preference of Krillin, that's why I think that it's technically possible for Tien to be above Yamcha in the Buu saga. Krillin above Tien cell games is a fact while the other can be argued since "Yamcha being able to sense PL's all over Earth is debatable". I'll do some research on that on sunday to see how well he was doing sensing Buu.

I'm just against anyone that thinks for some reason that Tien > Krillin after Namek UNTIL somewhere in the 7 year gap or after the gap.

Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Cocoman
Member Avatar
Badabing!

illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:27 AM
Maybe if it was chouzu or yajriobe yes, he could have been forgotten. But the human strength make up on Earth was very clear making that literally impossible

Krillin
Tien
Yamcha

There's no way he'd overlook someone who was #2. It's not like he was saying a random statement. He was making an analytical statement since he corrected himself to "humans".

Quote:
 

Kuririn: “Hey, Goku…This Tao Pai Pai guy was an incredibly amazing assassin, right? And he’s gotten even more incredible now, so why are you saying that it doesn’t matter?...”
Goku: “It’s simple. ‘Cause Tenshinhan is even more amazing.”


Ok so why does this matter. Krillin would own general tao.

Quote:
 
Kame-sennin: “Wow…To think that he’s grown into that great a martial artist…I no longer have any role to play at all…”
Yamcha: “Boy, I give up…”
Kuririn: “Maybe he’s a little too strong…”

Also Yamcha and Krillin think that Tao Pai Pai needs to be ganged up on while Tenshinhan knocks him out in a single hit.

'Kuririn: “Maybe he’s a little too strong…”" was this in reference to Tien being too strong? If so, I see your point.
But if you mean only krillin+yamcha's statement they can't sense PL's yet and they didn't see Tao fight first hand yet. I wouldn't doubt they both own tao.
Once again, 7 friggen years we're talking about. I don't see why Yamcha, who was far removed from battle, would remember. Goku only remembered when they were at the punching machine (note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

Also he used the term 'among Earthlings' which is interesting when you consider Gohan was called an 'Earthling' so even if you want to take it literally, it's not completely clear.

Then there's the question whether Tenshinhan was considered 'Earthling' as such.

That is talking about Cyborg Tao Pai Pai at the 23rd Budokai. Tao said he many times stronger than before and Krillin came to the conclusion that he wasn't beatable.

Yes that was Roshi, Krillin and Yamcha talking about Tenshinhan after he defeated Tao Pai Pai.
They seen Tao's movements and came to the conclusion that either one of them would need to gang up on him

Tenshinhan>>Cyborg Tao Pai Pai>Krillin ~ Yamcha.

...And i'll repeat;

Goku>Piccolo>>Tenshinhan>/>Goku(weighted)~Tenshinhan(holding back)>Piccolo Daimao (Young)~Piccolo(holding back)>Krillin>/*~Yamcha

*It's even doubtful Krillin was stronger than Yamcha considering at the 22nd they were near equals.

Tenshinhan would have been a county mile ahead of Krillin at the start of Z if he hadn't been chased around by Lunch (imo) and Yamcha would have been near equals with Krillin is he didn't stop fighting/didn't have relationship problems (in AT contributed filler he is depicted as a baseball player).


Posted Image
Tony Soprano
 
I'm the mother *****in *****in one who calls the shots.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kblo247
Member Avatar


KingOfAllSaiyans
Nov 3 2011, 12:55 AM
illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 12:51 AM
Oh and one thing I forgot to add here about Tien having 0 feats inside DBZ

Kihoho takes from your life force, not your ki energy. So every time he shortened his life to do things like move cell downwards and stop an attack meant to kill dende none of that was an accurate measure of his strength.

So Tien's strength in Z can't be said as anything since he didn't do anything lol (except for a few NOTABLE things like kill a saibamen).
Yes but when you dont have much to go off of, you have to ASSUME and it is implied that Tien was CONSTANTLY training. Whereas Krillin obviously wasnt.
Krillin was only implied to have stopped training after he and 18 settled down and had a kid; Gohan even states so in the anime (which the list obviously is using with filler added) when he says Krillin got a family, stopped training, and grew his hair out. That means roughly 4 years since the kid was 3. You have to remember that this list factors in, and in filler Krillin sparred with 18. You could make the assumption that he did the same thing before she got knocked up as well which gives him an edge since he was stronger than Yamcha and Tien at the Cell Games and 18 is on a whole different level than Chiaotzu.

The sole point to me is that he should be largely stronger than he was versus Cell, and even stronger since filler shows Yamcha, the weakest of them all, pawning Olibu who had been training since that otherworld tourney. In fact factoring in filler, Krillin and Yamcha were shown to be so strong sparring that Buu sensed them across the universe, and King Kai had Yemma leave them with him as his plan b vs Gohan Buu.

Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 01:39 AM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Cocoman
Member Avatar
Badabing!

illstand1
Nov 3 2011, 01:14 AM
I know. Putting away my preference of Krillin, that's why I think that it's technically possible for Tien to be above Yamcha in the Buu saga. Krillin above Tien cell games is a fact while the other can be argued since "Yamcha being able to sense PL's all over Earth is debatable". I'll do some research on that on sunday to see how well he was doing sensing Buu.

I'm just against anyone that thinks for some reason that Tien > Krillin after Namek UNTIL somewhere in the 7 year gap or after the gap.
Tenshinhan>Krillin>Yamcha has always been the case and never contradicted imo. Yamcha was complete fodder to Tenshinhan at the Saiyan fight.
Krillin>Tenshinhan at the Cell games isn't a fact so stop saying it. Tenshinhan was picked over Piccolo to track down Cell and he was picked over Krillin in their 1st confrontation with the Androids.
Gohan couldn't find Tenshinhan so Yamcha wouldn't have been able to sense him.

Tenshinahan has always been the strongest out of them and I don't think there's a logical reason to suggest otherwise.
Posted Image
Tony Soprano
 
I'm the mother *****in *****in one who calls the shots.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


Quote:
 
Once again, 7 friggen years we're talking about. I don't see why Yamcha, who was far removed from battle, would remember. Goku only remembered when they were at the punching machine (note Yamcha wasn't even there) and didn't even notice when they were all meeting up with each other.

And even 100 years later, as long as 3 were alive, the power makeup would NOT change. The power makeup is far too ingrained for him to forget. Maybe he'd forget Tien as a person, or maybe his personality if you wanna exaggerate that much, but the power makeup of Earth - not happening.

Quote:
 
Also he used the term 'among Earthlings' which is interesting when you consider Gohan was called an 'Earthling' so even if you want to take it literally, it's not completely clear.

Then there's the question whether Tenshinhan was considered 'Earthling' as such.

Gohan was half Earthling. The Daiz is opinion, and the Diaz itself never said that Tien was an alien directly. It actually more implied that he was from a different tribe. Also the third eye was from meditation.
Quote:
 

That is talking about Cyborg Tao Pai Pai at the 23rd Budokai. Tao said he many times stronger than before and Krillin came to the conclusion that he wasn't beatable.

He came to the conclusion prior to his ability to sense.


Quote:
 
Yes that was Roshi, Krillin and Yamcha talking about Tenshinhan after he defeated Tao Pai Pai.
They seen Tao's movements and came to the conclusion that either one of them would need to gang up on him

Tenshinhan>>Cyborg Tao Pai Pai>Krillin ~ Yamcha.

...And i'll repeat;

Goku>Piccolo>>Tenshinhan>/>Goku(weighted)~Tenshinhan(holding back)>Piccolo Daimao (Young)~Piccolo(holding back)>Krillin>/*~Yamcha

*It's even doubtful Krillin was stronger than Yamcha considering at the 22nd they were near equals.

While I still disagree with your power placing, if Krillin said "Maybe he’s a little too strong" to Tien I take back Tien => Krillin in the 23rd.

Quote:
 

Tenshinhan would have been a county mile ahead of Krillin at the start of Z if he hadn't been chased around by Lunch (imo)

I swear I hope you're joking.

Quote:
 
Yamcha would have been near equals with Krillin is he didn't stop fighting/didn't have relationship problems (in AT contributed filler he is depicted as a baseball player).

True, he'd probably be a lot closer.





Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kblo247
Member Avatar


Krillin came up with the idea to destroy Cell. Tien wasn't picked over him, Krillin simply did what he does better than anyone not named Vegeta, Goku, or Piccolo ... Make a plan. He brought up killing Cell then so they didn't have to worry about the one from their timeline.

And Goku sent Gohan off as well at one point but let Yamcha follow, that doesn't make him weaker than Yamcha. It just means that Goku looked out for his son and best friend like he always did.

In filler Krillin is actually able to physically knock Cell back, not push him down with suped up life force ki. That is important because Tien never makes any show of physical power in the series aside from the saibamen. And to be exact in the anime, which this list uses, Krillin is the one and only human/earthling to not get destroyed by his opposing Cell Jr. He is able to dodge every attack it makes until Piccolo comes up and the other sneaks him off guard. Tien and Yamcha got picked apart besides when they grab that 1 cell jr together and both knee him. The fact is Krillin was far more relevant in DBZ and the one standing beside the saiyans and Piccolo in every major battle across the anime and movie universe which implies he was more competent and useful than the others in battles during that series, not Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball Z
Edited by Kblo247, Nov 3 2011, 01:56 AM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mihawk
Member Avatar


Quote:
 
Tenshinhan>Krillin>Yamcha has always been the case and never contradicted imo. Yamcha was complete fodder to Tenshinhan at the Saiyan fight.

That was the case in DB. Tien > Krillin or Krillin > Tien can't be proven definitively inside DBZ without the use of opinion OR the proper non-opinionated interpretation of Yamcha's statement.

Posted Image

Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Kblo247
Member Avatar


I have a hard time believing Yamcha didnt know the full power of the others when everyone on the cliff had to go all out versus the cell Jrs including the saiyans to even stay alive.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
DealsFor.me - The best sales, coupons, and discounts for you
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Dragon Ball/Z Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 6

Theme Designed by McKee91