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Cooler's true power; Cooler, Freeza, King Cold, Movie 5
Topic Started: Nov 1 2011, 10:57 PM (2,267 Views)
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cooler knows of frieza's habit of suppressing his form. base goku on return to earth actually is strong enough to easily defeat anything up to initial final form frieza. so cooler simply didn't know the specifics of the battle, and likely assumed that goku didn't allow frieza the chance to transform/power up. when goku used the kaioken, cooler then states that was the power the defeated frieza. so that means that goku's kkx20 is at least a large portion of frieza's true power. well, most people have trunks saga base goku at 4,000,000, which would be a kkx20 of 80,000,000, or 2/3 of frieza's max. cooler wasn't haxed, he was just ignorant of the specific situation.
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base Goku fighting against Cooler > Freeza. Cooler himself says so.
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Ive heard people say on here that even Salza is stronger than Full power frieza. While i dont necessarily agree with that, I still think Frieza is not even close to Cooler's power and also think Frieza didnt have a 5th form.
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Not full power frieza but most likely intial final form frieza. Most movies are haxxed in dbz so it's not shocking to see all these great powerscales.
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Nov 2 2011, 04:38 PM
Not full power frieza but most likely intial final form frieza. Most movies are haxxed in dbz so it's not shocking to see all these great powerscales.
I feel power statements should mean a guy's full power unless blatantly contradicted. Cooler said base Goku > Freeza.

If this is initial true/4th form Freeza then that means Cooler's 4th/true form is incredibly weak compared to 100% 4th/true form Freeza. I just can't see that. Nor can I see Cooler showing up in a form way way way way way weaker than his brother's true power to fight a guy he knew killed his brother..makes no sense.

There's just a huge hax in this movie.
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Yeah you made a real good point here. Cooler would destroy Freeza easily and like you said, dust the androids. He was great.
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but that wasn't cooler's full 4th form power, either. he wasn't bulked up, or showing any real signs of exertion during the fight. he gave no indication of being at full power.
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Nov 3 2011, 11:49 PM
but that wasn't cooler's full 4th form power, either. he wasn't bulked up, or showing any real signs of exertion during the fight. he gave no indication of being at full power.
Who knows, maybe the key to unlocking the next form is like SSJ. You have to master the previous form. Maybe Cooler found a way to get rid of the strain on the body and then went through the process to transform?
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still, cooler had no indication of being at full power. i'm sticking with:

cooler originally thought that goku killed frieza before frieza managed to reach full power. cooler showed up, and fought base goku, whose power is indeed higher than initial final form frieza. cooler decides to show off, skips the build up of powering up to full in 4th form, and transforms instead. goku does the kaioken x20, which reaches up above 2/3 frieza, and cooler realizes that goku might have actually defeated full power frieza. then goku transforms, and kicks cooler's butt.
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I'm damn serious

Oh gawd Vic,don't start this nonsense here....
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Nov 3 2011, 11:49 PM
but that wasn't cooler's full 4th form power, either. he wasn't bulked up, or showing any real signs of exertion during the fight. he gave no indication of being at full power.
But nothing suggests he has to be "bulked up" or has straining issues at full power. Plus why would he transform to his 5th form if he's not at full power in his 4th form?

He clearly was not that much more weak than base Goku so If he was only using a small fraction of his power there in 4th form why would he transform to 5th form if he could still beat base Goku in his 4th form? Why? I'll tell you why...because he's at full power there in his 4th form and base Goku is > 100% Freeza like statetd. He can only gain more power by going into 5th form...where he gets a monstrous power up.
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he transformed to show off. just like 3rd form frieza was stronger than everyone there, but transformed to 4th form just for the lolz. cooler is just what frieza would be like if he wasn't an effeminate brat.
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So you basically think when Cooler said base Goku could beat Freeza he was talking about some uber suppressed version of Freeza and he transformed into his 5th form just to show off even though he could beat base Goku in 4th form?

mehhh sound's silly IMO..just to negate huge increases which are implied. We've seen Goku get huge power increases before....he gets a 33x zenkai on Namek, he could get another one of that size in this movie. That's all there is too it to me.
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Nov 3 2011, 11:24 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 04:38 PM
Not full power frieza but most likely intial final form frieza. Most movies are haxxed in dbz so it's not shocking to see all these great powerscales.
I feel power statements should mean a guy's full power unless blatantly contradicted. Cooler said base Goku > Freeza.

If this is initial true/4th form Freeza then that means Cooler's 4th/true form is incredibly weak compared to 100% 4th/true form Freeza. I just can't see that. Nor can I see Cooler showing up in a form way way way way way weaker than his brother's true power to fight a guy he knew killed his brother..makes no sense.

There's just a huge hax in this movie.
Yup. You're right.

Base Goku > FIRST FORM Frieza

Frieza was always in his surpressed form and, most likely, cooler last saw him in said surpressed state. Thus, we can assume that he was talking about the surpressed form Frieza was in.
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Nov 4 2011, 07:59 PM
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Nov 3 2011, 11:24 PM
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Nov 2 2011, 04:38 PM
Not full power frieza but most likely intial final form frieza. Most movies are haxxed in dbz so it's not shocking to see all these great powerscales.
I feel power statements should mean a guy's full power unless blatantly contradicted. Cooler said base Goku > Freeza.

If this is initial true/4th form Freeza then that means Cooler's 4th/true form is incredibly weak compared to 100% 4th/true form Freeza. I just can't see that. Nor can I see Cooler showing up in a form way way way way way weaker than his brother's true power to fight a guy he knew killed his brother..makes no sense.

There's just a huge hax in this movie.
Yup. You're right.

Base Goku > FIRST FORM Frieza

Frieza was always in his surpressed form and, most likely, cooler last saw him in said surpressed state. Thus, we can assume that he was talking about the surpressed form Frieza was in.
I doubt it. Cooler had just taken out Piccolo...who at the very least is >>> First form Freeza. Cooler didn't seem to be very impressed with Piccolo's power and Piccolo would one shot first form Freeza.

He also says base Goku is "enough" to have beaten Freeza..indicating base Goku is not way way stronger than Freeza...just enough to beat him.
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