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Cooler's true power; Cooler, Freeza, King Cold, Movie 5
Topic Started: Nov 1 2011, 10:57 PM (2,266 Views)
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Cooler is incredibly powerful. Yes we know he's more powerful than Freeza but he's not only more powerful, he's way way way way more powerful. In movie 5 he's totally haxed out of control...he'd dust any of the Androids easily, and even the early forms of Cell IMO.

So how powerful is Cooler? Well first it's all linked to Goku.

At the start of movie 5 we see Goku training and Master Roshi already said Goku has gotten stronger since he's returned. So Goku at the start of movie 5 > Goku on Namek at the very least. Then Cooler arrives on planet Earth and he is clearly in his 4th or 'true' form (as Freeza called it) right off the bat. He then proceeds to injure Goku with just a simple eye blast and Goku is almost dead at this point. Then later he easily takes out Piccolo and fights Goku again (since Goku was healed with a senzu bean). Now Goku must have gotten a zenkai from the senzu bean because this time he fights Cooler and takes the advantage. This is where it all gets crazy. On the rocks near the waterfall, Cooler then says to Goku...

"you do as well as I expected, enough to have defeated my brother" (Keep in mind I'm going by the original Japanese version, not that Funimation or Ocean dub crap.)

So Cooler believes base Goku whom he just fought could have beaten Freeza. So we are talking about base Goku after his zenkai in movie 5 being stronger than 100% true form Freeza at this point. And probably in the range of Super Saiyan Goku as seen on planet Namek. Has to be since Super Saiyan Goku on Namek was only just a little bit more powerful than 100% true form Freeza on Namek. True form Freeza and true form Cooler must also be on similar levels since base Goku just seemed to have a slight advantage on true form Cooler. Also it makes sense for Cooler and Freeza's true form to be on near equal levels since they look very similar and I doubt Cooler would just show up suppressed or in a form much weaker than his brother's full power since he knows he's going to fight a guy that killed his brother.

Since Cooler loses to base Goku Cooler then transforms into his infamous 5th and Final Form, and Goku then proceeds to go into what must be a Kaioken x 20 on Final Form Cooler and Cooler shoots it to crap! He even flies right through a Kamehameha without even a scratch. Goku then finally goes Super Saiyan and beats up Final Form Cooler, although Goku does seem to struggle a bit with Cooler's Super Nova attack.

Anyway when it's all said and done the power scaling is something like this

Super Sayain Goku (movie 5) >> Final Form Cooler >>> Kaioken x 20 Goku (movie 5) >>>>>>>> base Goku [post zenkai] (movie 5) = Super Saiyan Goku (Namek) > 100% true form Freeza >= true form Cooler.

Freeza is nothing to Cooler, Cooler in his final form must be 30x stronger at least! If Freeza really has a battle power of 120,000,000 then Cooler's could be around 5,000,000,000 or something.

I know, sounds ridiculous but it's true.


Edited by Victorious, Nov 1 2011, 11:12 PM.
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Very good and interesting post. But I also think 5th form cooler is closer to SSJ Goku than people think. If Cooler wouldnt have been cocky and would have added something to that Super Nova it would of been over for earth. Clearly SSJ Goku is superior but its closer than most people would think in my opinion
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Good post, but it doesn't necessary have to be that way. Some will say Cooler didn't know Freeza's full power.
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The last time Freeza had his power level recorded he was at 1,000,000, and he never stated what percentage he was using before going to 50%. Whilst I disagree with Base Goku = SSj Goku on Namek after his Zenkai, I do agree with your assessment that Cooler was a lot stronger than we give him credit for.
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Nov 2 2011, 12:11 PM
Good post, but it doesn't necessary have to be that way. Some will say Cooler didn't know Freeza's full power.
yeah but I just can't see 4th/true form Cooler being way way weaker than 4th/true form Freeza. And base Goku post zenkai gained the advantage on him. Plus if anyone knows Freeza's power it's his brother.

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Whilst I disagree with Base Goku = SSj Goku on Namek after his Zenkai


base Goku post zenkai movie 5 > 100% Freeza is pretty much a fact IMO...whether he's = to SSJ Goku from Namek I dunno, but he's definitely in range.
Edited by Victorious, Nov 2 2011, 02:28 PM.
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Cooler definitely can't be weaker than Freeza in equal forms, so I agree with that.
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I don't think Cooler's anywhere near ANY of Cell's forms. He could probably defeat Android #19 and #20, but would fall just as easily to #17, #18 and #16 as Vegeta and the others did. I think Frieza even stated that Vegeta would be the first to "witness" his final form, so Cooler could be referring to his earlier suppressions.
Edited by Illustrious, Nov 2 2011, 02:47 PM.
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Nov 2 2011, 02:45 PM
I don't think Cooler's anywhere near ANY of Cell's forms. He could probably defeat Android #19 and #20, but would fall just as easily to #17, #18 and #16 as Vegeta and the others did. I think Frieza even stated that Vegeta would be the first to "witness" his final form, so Cooler could be referring to his earlier suppressions.
Do you consider them like 30-40x stronger than Freeza? I sure don't..I have them only a few times more powerful than Freeza.
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The thing is, Freeza made his suppressions to control his power, so it's not like he popped out of the womb/egg in a suppressed form. His father and Cooler should both know his full power.
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Victorious
Nov 2 2011, 02:48 PM
Illustrious
Nov 2 2011, 02:45 PM
I don't think Cooler's anywhere near ANY of Cell's forms. He could probably defeat Android #19 and #20, but would fall just as easily to #17, #18 and #16 as Vegeta and the others did. I think Frieza even stated that Vegeta would be the first to "witness" his final form, so Cooler could be referring to his earlier suppressions.
Do you consider them like 30-40x stronger than Freeza? I sure don't..I have them only a few times more powerful than Freeza.
I don't have Cooler being THAT much stronger than Frieza, to be honest. I don't see how Goku, having already achieved SSJ, would recieve such a large zenkai. It's unanimous that Goku could have defeated any of Cooler's squadron before his "zenkai" so having blown a much, much weaker Salza away with a simple ki wave is really nothing to go by. I have him recieving a little boost, but him being the same strength in his base form as he was on Namek (or ANYWHERE near it) seems absurd.
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I don't even have him gaining a zenkai actually. He could've very well just been suppressed versus Cooler's goons, and then unleashed his full power after recovering.
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Nov 2 2011, 03:02 PM
I don't even have him gaining a zenkai actually. He could've very well just been suppressed versus Cooler's goons, and then unleashed his full power after recovering.
That's certainly possible.


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I don't have Cooler being THAT much stronger than Frieza, to be honest. I don't see how Goku, having already achieved SSJ, would recieve such a large zenkai. It's unanimous that Goku could have defeated any of Cooler's squadron before his "zenkai" so having blown a much, much weaker Salza away with a simple ki wave is really nothing to go by. I have him recieving a little boost, but him being the same strength in his base form as he was on Namek (or ANYWHERE near it) seems absurd.


TOEI doesn't care about absurd. And AT had Goku get a 33x zenkai so if he's already > hiself on namek (to an uncertain degree) and then he gets a mondo zenkai he could get up close to his Super Saiyan strength from Namek in just his base form.

The fact is base Goku beat 4th/true form Cooler and then Cooler flat out stated Goku could have beaten Freeza. Then Final Form Cooler demolishes Goku in a Kaioken x 20...so it's really all math.

Final Form Cooler >>> Kaioken x 20 Goku (movie 5) >>>>>> base Goku [post zenkai] (movie 5) > 100% true form Freeza = true form Cooler

Edited by Victorious, Nov 2 2011, 04:03 PM.
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If we're to follow the OVA, which includes Cooler (right?), then the androids are still stronger than him. Gohan was a SSjin so we know the Z-Fighters used the RoSaT, so everything from the main timeline still fits in.
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Concerning the movie, the only thing I'd have argue is that the instances where Goku powers up and expels white aura are instances that the movie should have shown him as Kaioken (* 10), imo. Even when he was shown using Kaioken, he still did not have a consistent aura.

Goku
fighterpower
Normal6 000 000
Kaioken * 1060 000 000
Kaioken * 20120 000 000
Super Saiyan300 000 000

Cooler
fighterpower
at Goku70 000 000
Fourth Form, Full Power (not shown)140 000 000
Fifth Form250 000 000
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I have for movie 5

Piccolo
full power ~ 5,000,000

Cooler
~ true form : 140,000,000
~ Final form : 6,300,000,000

Goku
~ base (initial) : 4,500,000
~ base (post zenkai) : 150,000,000
~ Kaioken x 20 : 3,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 7,500,000,000

And Meta Cooler is much stronger than Super Saiyan Goku from movie 5.
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