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| dbzhero | Nov 1 2011, 09:38 PM Post #1 |
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Well Freeza was powerful, he destroyed the sayain race with a single blast. Then all of a sudden Dr.Gero, a human comes in and GOKU has to TRAIN to beat him. To me that was ridicules,A human? Really? Like a human could be stronger then Freeza. For me that was a buzz kill. That the Z fighters had to train to kill a human?, When all Dr.Gero did was make himself half robot.What do you think? Is having a human stronger then Freeza and the whole Sayain race convened practical for DBZ. |
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| Noir | Nov 1 2011, 09:40 PM Post #2 |
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He wasnt even a human anymore. He was an android. And in DBZ androids are a pretty tough bunch. And they were more training to fight 17 and 18 then Gero Edited by Noir, Nov 1 2011, 09:43 PM.
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| dbzhero | Nov 1 2011, 09:46 PM Post #3 |
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Dr.Gero was a robot but he was once a human. Well ya they were suppose to fight 17 and 18 like future trunks said, but they were still very powerful. |
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| Noir | Nov 1 2011, 09:47 PM Post #4 |
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So youre upset that they had to fight gero because he used to be a human? I kinda see where youre coming from |
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Nov 1 2011, 10:32 PM Post #5 |
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He and Android 19 were definitely more powerful than Freeza, even Mecha Freeza. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 1 2011, 10:45 PM Post #6 |
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I agree with this. People have a problem with any of the androids being stronger than Freeza, but they don't realize how brutal and spontaneous science is. I mean, someone could create a bomb to destroy the entire planet instantly on accident. |
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Nov 1 2011, 11:25 PM Post #7 |
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Remember in the manga/Jpanese anime when Piccolo fights Gero he says something like (when Gero is shocked that he is losing to Piccolo) "we were preparing for you, and whether you were just weak or we got too strong you're no match"...he says something like that i can get the exact quote if you guys want it. So Piccolo thinks he just beat some Android who SSJ Trunks during the Mecha Freeza saga had said could beat the crap out of him! And if they were weaker than what he expected (to be stronger than SSJ Future Trunks) Piccolo would not have said "we just got too strong" So it suggests to me Piccolo >> Android 19 and Android 20 >> SSJ Future Trunks (Mecha saga) Piccolo has already far surpassed the early Super Saiyans like SSJ Goku on Namek and SSJ Future Trunks during the Mecha Freeza arc. The Androids power is also linked to Goku's sick power. When Goku transforms into SSJ in front of the Z senshi right before he battles Android 19, Tien (who had seen Goku as a Super Saiyan when he sparred real quick with Future Trunks in the Mecha Freeza arc) is in total shock at Goku's Super Saiyan power. So sick SSJ Goku in the Android saga >>> SSJ Yadrat Goku at the very least IMO. And Android 19 is still able to take punches from him and also increases his powe when he absorbs ki from Goku. Meanwhile Gohan and Piccolo who actually trained with Goku during the 3 years know that that is not even close to Goku's real power (what it would be if he was healthy) Android 19 and Androids 20 blow Freeza out of the water, they're way stronger than him. He's irrelevant by this time. Edited by Victorious, Nov 2 2011, 02:30 PM.
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| II2none | Nov 1 2011, 11:36 PM Post #8 |
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Dr. Gero WAS a human, now an android. Although the Z warriors didn't know that wasn't the android they were training for. I'm guessing Dr. Gero and #19 strength is equivalent of android 17 and 18 in trunks time line. To clarify I think aside from Goku and Vegeta everyone else needed the training for these fights. I'm not entirely sure but according to the anime and games he doesn't seem that powerful in comparison to Frieza.
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| Mr. Blonde | Nov 2 2011, 02:53 AM Post #9 |
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The strongest power level Gero saw was SSj Goku's when he arrived back on Earth. So, all he had to do was build something strong enough to fight that. Yeah, it's a bit weak that Gero was able to build something stronger than Freeza, but since he was working mathematically and implied to be nothing short of a super genius, I don't think it's too far-fetched for the series. And here's something to make you scratch your heads - when Gero thought Yamcha was Goku, did he mean Goku's base, SSj, or Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha? |
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| Kblo247 | Nov 2 2011, 03:05 AM Post #10 |
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17 and 18 were humans so, do you have a problem with training to beat them? |
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| G.G. | Nov 2 2011, 05:18 AM Post #11 |
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Well, its just Freeza was supposedly the strongest being in the universe but an old man, a fat guy, two teens and some big dude being stronger than that is just plain jarring for most fans. Cell has osme excuse at leat but still even if they are Androids, humans being stornger than Freeza gets me a lot. |
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| Kblo247 | Nov 2 2011, 05:33 AM Post #12 |
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16 wasn't a big dude. He was Gero's only full blown robot with a bomb that could take out the whole lot of z fighters if they were close enough. 17 and 18 were fully enhanced with top tier cybernetics unlike Frieza who was warned to not burn his out. They had no stamina issues. Their power was constant and could not strain them like Friezas 100% form or the SSJ transformation. The thing was in the present, their human emotions were 100% in tact so they felt no need to kill but just to have fun and fight to test themselves. In the future timeline, they were ruthless killers after being tortured and used as lab rats, they simply both snapped. Gero was a genius just like Bulma. He spent years studying, analyzing, and breaking down things such as kaioken and Kamehameha. He watched them fight. He studied their styles. He made calculations. He put a system, into place that was far more thorough than Friezas I know I'm strong and will just blow you up approach saw him do. The fact he found a way to steal energy and turn the z warriors powers against them was proof of that. He just happened to remodel a human into 19 as well for a partner just in case he needed some help against numbers Edited by Kblo247, Nov 2 2011, 05:37 AM.
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| Kblo247 | Nov 2 2011, 05:44 AM Post #13 |
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Gero didn't not know of SSJ, neither did 17 or 18. That was the computer that built Cell who knew all about that. Gero recorded where Goku was until his fight with Vegeta. Presumably he saw the Raditz fight which saw Gokus power spike over 900 with the Kamehameha. He also saw the kaioken x 4 plus Kamehameha combo which saw his level shoot over 30,000. One would assume that he made a mathematical formula to analyze the leap his power saw in a year timespan and the used that formula to calculate a presumed level for 4 years later. I'd hazard to guess that using a rough estimation he probably assumed Goku was at the level he showed Ginyu and Yamcha had trained well enough to get that string. Plus the their physical builds weren't greatly varied which is why when they rain the initial parameters they could also be construed at first glance, before the data in their systems formulated a conclusion as to it being Yamcha. Heck even in Kai and the anime they grade Yamcha as a B class fighter when their computers fully analyze who he is before attacking him |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 2 2011, 12:27 PM Post #14 |
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Goku went from 416 to just over 8k in a year, and was able to amplify his power at least 4x with Kaio-ken, plus whatever his Kamehameha adds (which I personally don't believe is a constant 2x multiplier). He'd probably assume that same increase, or somewhere around there. 8,000 x 20 = 160,000 - x4 = 640,000 - x2 = 1,280,000 But how long would he be assuming Goku would increase his strength? |
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| lunar2 | Nov 2 2011, 04:40 PM Post #15 |
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gero should also know about zenkais and oozaru. depending on how thorough he was, he would know that tails regrow periodically. gero built the androids to withstand the possibility of 3 intelligent oozaru with a handful of zenkais each, on the off chance that the saiyans get their tails back, and goku/gohan learn to control it. then he also knows of kaioken, and would assume that goku would teach it to gohan, at least. even just seeing up to kkx4, oozaru + kkx4 + 1 regular zenkai = ssj. that's why gero's androids were ssj tier, even though he didn't know about ssj. |
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To me that was ridicules,A human? Really? Like a human could be stronger then Freeza. For me that was a buzz kill. That the Z fighters had to train to kill a human?, When all Dr.Gero did was make himself half robot.












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