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| Ani-Nation | Oct 27 2011, 05:14 AM Post #1 |
 
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Do you believe it's right for the government to make you pay for healthcare? Many countries get it but at the cost of higher taxes. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 27 2011, 05:21 AM Post #2 |
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They kind of have to. There really isn't a way around it (now I've said that i'm waiting for someone to come in and prove me wrong). They have to pay for equipment, doctors, hospitals etc. They need the money to do that which either comes from health insurance or through taxes. Many countries can't balance the books as it is, free healthcare would cripple an economy. Morally, it seems a bit wrong but realistically there isn't any other option. |
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| Ani-Nation | Oct 27 2011, 05:25 AM Post #3 |
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Well I know but do you think its right for the government to make you pay? Kind of like how the new healthcare bill makes everyone pay for the service rather than making it a choice. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 27 2011, 05:37 AM Post #4 |
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Oh right, I get what you mean now. I'm kind of split on that. On the one hand you've got that people should have the choice about what they insure. If someone doesn't want health insurance, that's their choice. However, you've then got that it is in their best interest to be insured. Forcing everyone to be insured eliminates problems of people being sick but not having the insurance so they can't be properly treated (if that's how it works. I don't live in America so i'm not sure. I'm basing it off Scrubs where if a patient is not insured they are kicked out after they make sure they are stable. Probably not the best source I know ;)). If I had to put my neck on the line, I'd say if you are going to use a health insurance system then it's probably right that they make you get it. At the end of the day, it makes sure everyone is covered and has healthcare available to them and it raises money. Although, I don't have all the facts and willing to hear other arguments. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 27 2011, 05:56 AM Post #5 |
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Nationalised healthcare won't cripple the economy. Look at Europe)before the economic collapse). I believe healthcare should be seen as a right for all humans. Under a system like the US', not only can many people not afford healthcare, but many people with healthcare get mistreated still, because the heads of insurance companies care more about increasing their profits than about giving a good service. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 27 2011, 06:06 AM Post #6 |
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I meant that it would without the increased taxes in place in those countries. That was when I misunderstood the question. Doesn't part of the reform increase the quality and coverage of the insurance? |
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| DanielSan | Oct 27 2011, 06:26 AM Post #7 |
 
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Yes I support it but it is not free though since it is out of taxes. Though I think it is a better system than what we have now in my opinion. I will write alot more about this tomorrow. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 27 2011, 07:06 AM Post #8 |
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Don't know if the healthcare bill has anything about raising the standard of healthcare. I don't think it does-not very easy to write a law to get the companies to behave better. Definitely would be too difficult to enforce I think. Problem is also, health insurance is too expensive for some people, so they're just going to end up struggling in other areas(eg-housing, food) if forced to pay for health insurance. Some people will say they shouldn't have to pay for people who haven't done as well in life, but with capitalism like it is in the US there's always some people at the bottom with it rough, because the less they get paid the more the people at the top are paid, so are you just going to let those people suffer? |
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| + Pelador | Oct 27 2011, 01:53 PM Post #9 |
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I don't think the taxes we pay for NHS are that much compared to other taxes we have to pay. I may be wrong but I think it's part of something called Council tax. Which means it's combined into a tax which also covers lots of other things such as schools, parks, sanitation, police, ect. But on it's own it's not that much I don't think. Compared to gas or electric bills anyway. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 27 2011, 02:03 PM Post #10 |
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I think council tax just gives funding to local government, I don't think the NHS is included. Apparently, the funding for the NHS equates to 1,980 pound for every man woman and child. I have no idea how that measures up against the cost of health insurance though. |
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| + Pelador | Oct 27 2011, 03:06 PM Post #11 |
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I think The NHS can be funded by charitable donations and fund raisers as well as tax. I'm not to sure. I do think it's morally wrong to charge people an outright fee for every procedure or consultation. Pay up or die basically. And the people who run those insurance companies get rich off other people's suffering and basically hold their lives to ransom. The NHS works here for some reason and the UK has some of the best healthcare in the world. Free healthcare also works in other countries too. America's problem is that the insurance companies have too much of a hold on the system and too many connections in government for it to ever be implemented. Not that most American's would want it in the first place. |
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| Meowth | Oct 27 2011, 03:13 PM Post #12 |
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The US has higher federal corporate tax than the UK. But it's also worth noting all those tax cuts that have been given to the more well off US citizens right? And Canada has lower income taxes than the US, highest tax for Canada is 29% for those earning more than $128,800, for the US it's 35% for those earning more than $379,150, for the UK it's 50% for those earning more than £150,000. Canada: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html US: http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/federal-income-irs-tax-brackets.html UK: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm As for VAT, the UK has 20%, Canada has 10% and the US has sales tax that varies state to state, mostly lower than those 2 mentioned though, some states charge a little over 10%. I could look for other taxes in countries with free healthcare as well if you want to believe that all countries that have free heathcare, charge higher taxes. It depends on how money is distributed as well as who is taxed and what products are taxed.
It's mostly specilsit hospitals here that get additional funds through public donations, some also get private donations to help with the construction of a new building or ward, usually given the name of the donator, much like universities. As for insurance, yeah, here it helps to get you seen quicker at a private hospital if you wish as well as additional luxaries, but most of it can be done on the NHS, somethings can't be though and you have to pay for it. The US has an odd problem in that some patients will also sue if something goes wrong, which means that doctors have to take out insurance and hospitals have to do so as well, and costs can go up because of the cost of compensation, I believe this is one of the contributions anyway. |
 
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| DanielSan | Oct 29 2011, 12:22 AM Post #13 |
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Ok here is my full argument. Universal Health Care would be extremely helpful for the United States. It works alot better than what we have now. Nearly every single 1st world country has UHC. The United States is the one of the only ones without it. Some countries have higher taxes on the list while others have lower. Also many people say that we simply can't afford it since we have a high population, but we have a high GDP as well. Japan has a population of 127,000,000 million people and a GDP of 5 trillion while the USA has a population of 307,000,000 and a GDP of 14 trillion. We have 2.4 times the population of Japan and 2.8 times the GDP. It is not base on population but base on GDP and population. We have the tools to make that work. Also the USA spends a bigger percent on Health Care than most other countries that have UHC does. |
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| SirParagon | Oct 30 2011, 04:39 AM Post #14 |
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True that not everyone can afford private health insurance, but a lot more probably could if they weren't taxed so badly in other areas and/or for services they don't even use. It's just basic altruism to provide free healthcare for the minority of people who couldn't possibly afford it, especially if they're about to die, they don't deserve a monstrous debt.
Edited by SirParagon, Oct 30 2011, 04:45 AM.
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