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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 18 2011, 03:25 AM (3,186 Views) | |
| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:15 AM Post #31 |
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Don't be a smart-ass  it's an extension of a concept. You know what I mean.
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Nov 18 2011, 05:16 AM Post #32 |
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I'm not sure to be honest. There's things I don't agree with in all political parties and vice versa. At the end of the day I don't really care I make my own things happen for me. Politics just divides us and gives people reason not to like us/dislike us. |
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| + Pelador | Nov 18 2011, 05:16 AM Post #33 |
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Well that's just stupid then isn't it. You can't expect to make a point as flawed as you did and not expect anyone to question it. Also the fact that you haven't answered it as well as my other question suggests to me like you can't give me an answer and that you're just talking rubbish. The how's aren't irrelavant at all. You want to get rid of a government but don't give a proper explanation as to what you'd replace it with and then and expect us to just say "ok fine. Don't bother elaborating on any details in a politcal debate  "I look out of my window and I see a nice peacful street where everyone's asleep in their houses. Not afraid to go outside tommorow for fear of being dragged away or shot in the street. I'd hardly call it chaos. |
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| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:18 AM Post #34 |
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Exactly, all the more reason to drop our petty bickering and come together as a common species. @ Pelador I just figured out the problem, you guys are trying to have a political debate with me when I'm trying to have a philosophical debate. Edited by SirParagon, Nov 18 2011, 05:19 AM.
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Nov 18 2011, 05:19 AM Post #35 |
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As long as we are human, that will never happen. We have been divided since the beginning of time. |
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| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:20 AM Post #36 |
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*Pulls out hair* Human nature is not a constant You guys really, really need to study philosophy, just saying. Everyone does. Edited by SirParagon, Nov 18 2011, 05:20 AM.
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| + Pelador | Nov 18 2011, 05:21 AM Post #37 |
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I think that's what the UN and Interpol aim to do actually. Also, our governments regularly offer each other aid and assistance when needed. Europe is managing to hold itself together by richer countries helping out the less economically succesful nations. No it isn't. and I have noticed we are far less violent and agressive as a species than ever before. But it's a slow process and we won't see war and siffering end in our lifetime. Edited by Pelador, Nov 18 2011, 05:22 AM.
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So you suddenly expect humans to have a complete turn-around even though we were born this way and it is in our very nature? It is how we were created. I am a Christian, so I firmly believe that humans will always be divided. That is, unless you consider the day of judgement as "coming together," in which case I would disagree. |
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| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:25 AM Post #39 |
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You don't seem to understand. Our behaviour is directly influence by memory and experience, the concept of human nature is not the same all throughout history because behaviours change based on experience. Heh, how much more would you hate arguing with me if I told you I am an atheist - but it's a bit off-topic to bring up religion in this discussion. Edited by SirParagon, Nov 18 2011, 05:30 AM.
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Nov 18 2011, 05:26 AM Post #40 |
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I understand that, so explain to me why we haven't changed at all yet. :P |
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| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:30 AM Post #41 |
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Indoctrination and an almost universal shunning of philosophy. Religious institutions and government are to blame for our lack of change. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 18 2011, 05:31 AM Post #42 |
 
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What? That doesn't make any sense. How can self defense mean you can defend random people? Who says what is justice? The role of government is to define justice so people will not go and act out their own justice. Government is voted by the people and we agree on the justice system. While it's far from perfect, it's superior in a situation where everyone can come up with their own twisted form of it. If you really like a situation where only personal justice is served, head out to the sahara in Africa where your supposed ideal view of government exists. Enjoy living every second like you may not make it to the next second. |
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| + Pelador | Nov 18 2011, 05:31 AM Post #43 |
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Well actually there's a lot of evidence to suggest that we have changed a lot over 10,000 years of civilisation. Look at Ancient Sparta for example and how they treated each other. babies thrown off cliffs for not "Being strong enough" and sex with young boys was considered acceptable. Not to mention all the hundreds of bloody and far more pointless wars they used to have compared to what happens today. Now governments have to come up with really good excuses to war with other countries for fear of being toppled by the people.
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| SirParagon | Nov 18 2011, 05:33 AM Post #44 |
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Well yeah, that's a given... but look what has stayed the same, our primitive hierarchical society. @ illstand1 Justice in itself is an entire philosophic debate on its own. Like I mentioned before, why do you think it's virtuous to hand over all the weapons in the world to a small group of people and expect them to enact fair justice? Why does justice even require violent punishment? Remember the 'why' questions, they're more important than the 'hows'. I'll reword what I stated before: The initation of force is always immoral except in self-defence or the defence of others. Happy?! you couldn't fill in that little extra bit yourself? heh. Edited by SirParagon, Nov 18 2011, 05:42 AM.
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| + Pelador | Nov 18 2011, 05:42 AM Post #45 |
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Who's handing all the weapons in the world to a small group of people and expecting them to use them to uphold their idea of justice? Justice in my country does not result in violent punishment and in most states in America it doesn't either. Why questions are not more important than hows. If people only asked why and never bothered to actually fix the problems, we'd never get anywhere. |
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