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| Meowth | Oct 13 2011, 07:23 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-15289007
So essentially, a college is given a set number of A*s it could give out, meaning if you are good enough to get an A*, you could be denied because the college already handed them all out. It's a stupid idea, it's punishing students because they know a lot about the subject. What do you think? |
 
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 13 2011, 07:26 PM Post #2 |
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It is ridiculous. I feel as if they're doing this to limit University appliations or something of the same manner. Limiting the number of a certain grade is ridiculous. So someone could get the marks equivalent to an A* but would get an A because somebody's paper was marked before theirs? Pure Bull**** |
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| lunar2 | Oct 13 2011, 07:28 PM Post #3 |
 
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that is about as stupid as the schools here being almost banned from giving failing grades. or the girl a couple years ago who was denied high school valedictorian because she graduated a year early. and then was denied the highest gpa award for another (different) technicality. |
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| DanielSan | Oct 13 2011, 08:35 PM Post #4 |
 
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Why are they doing this? It doesn't make sense at all. You can't get that top grade just because someone else got it before you? What kind of thinking is that? Man sometimes I wonder about people. |
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| Cal | Oct 13 2011, 09:02 PM Post #5 |
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As a current college student there are 2 main problems that involve anyone who is serious about their education. Stress and laziness. It took me through my first semester of college to learn that out of 3 important things you need to do: Sleep, Social Life, and Studying.. While there is 3, most people can only do 2 during college. Want a social life? Then either you don't sleep enough to you don't do your homework/studying. Want to study enough for a test? Then you wont have enough time to get all the sleep you need or have a social life. This would effectively help out the laziness problem, however it only puts more strain on the the problem. It's a unrealistic quick fix to hope kids try harder. It's the same with the difference in scoring in America. Some schools are 95-100 = A, others (like mine) are 90-100 = A. Seems like someone is trying to think either way too hard or not enough when it comes to this. |
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| + Clearin | Oct 13 2011, 09:30 PM Post #6 |
 
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Why would you need a social life to pass college? Anyway it's really unfair of them to do something like that. A real downer to the people who worked hard and can't get the grade they deserve. |
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| Tim | Oct 13 2011, 10:08 PM Post #7 |
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The way I read it was as a similar way to how i've seen it work before. The top percentile of people will acheive an A and so on and so forth. Your talk about how being marked after someone elses and not getting it would never happen. It is more to do with a different type of scaling in order to clarify the difference between people. So if you got 91% and 100 people got 92% and above, those 100 people might get the A* and while you'd normally get it you wouldn't that time as you weren't able to get into the top 10% for example. It's not really that bad of an idea, but it does make it harder for some people to achieve as they're being graded based on how well their peers so. However alternative you could get 80% or something and that could get you an A because not enough people scored high enough. This is a method i've seen used before to help take into account the difficulty of the exam and such. One exam a friend sat you only needed 60% to get an A. Would you prefer that instead everyone failed? |
 
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| SirParagon | Oct 13 2011, 10:50 PM Post #8 |
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Seems like a step backward. Of course people are going to get more competitive and generate better results if they feel increasingly pressured that everyone is against them. Is it the right decision? What are the psychological implications for those who are unfairly cast aside? If many A-grade students aren't learning what they need to know for whatever job then that means the education system has to be updated or revamped. I doubt A-grades are devaluing due to easier coursework.
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| Meowth | Oct 13 2011, 10:56 PM Post #9 |
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Yes. Grades should be static, not fluid, it gives you something to aim for, if you have fluid grades, you can encourage under preformace. Say 80% of people around my acedemic level (between low B and high C), decide that it's not worth putting in as much work and under a static system would get a D, the lack of people at B/C level would bump our scores up, basicly being rewarded for under preforming. At university when I was there, it was static, I remember one assignment, hardly anyone got over 60%, we don't use grades so if there was a fluid system, those percentages most likly would have been moved up to compensate, as it affected the overall modual mark and degree classification. A lot of people failed that assignment, I believe it was around 40% - 45% who failed and had to retake it, a fail being anything less than 35% Just because the pass rate is low isn't a reason to make achiving something easier. Your mark should reflect how well you do, not how well your peers have done. Here's a stupid example to show something that would problem be very unlikly to happen. A college year of 500 students, the grades are A, B, C, D, F and U, the college decides to evenally allocate grades as best as it can. 100% - 95% = 95 students [A] 94% - 90% = 105 students 89% - 85% = 100 students [c] 84% - 75% = 95 students [D] 74% - 1% = 95 students [F] 0% = 10 students (absent/disqualifed) That's pretty unlikly but you would get some very high scoring fails and I don't know if anything works that way of allocating grades, lol. |
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| Mihawk | Oct 13 2011, 11:22 PM Post #10 |
 
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It's very unhealthy not to. I agree with Cal, balancing the 3 is very important although I tend to replace sleep with some type of caffeine supplement  
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| Cal | Oct 14 2011, 12:31 AM Post #11 |
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Yeah, not having a social life will leave you eating roman noodles, afraid to talk to people, and browsing some weird dbz board if you're not careful. Oh wait.... ***** point proven. lol |
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| lunar2 | Oct 14 2011, 05:07 AM Post #12 |
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it won't work. what happens when they accidentally make an assignment too easy, and nearly everyone aces it? do they flip a coin to decide who gets the a? it's a highly unlikely situation, sure, but how will they handle it? |
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| Meowth | Oct 14 2011, 05:13 AM Post #13 |
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Similar to my example, you'd end up with people getting low grades for getting a high percentage because those who aced it are allocated the A 
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 14 2011, 08:49 AM Post #14 |
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It's unfair, people should be judged on how well they know the content, not how well everyone else knows it. So what if a lot of people get an A. Does not that mean that the teacher is doing something right and the students have responded? Is it not a good thing? I know I'd be annoyed if I got a high score but a lower grade because everyone else got a good score as well. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 14 2011, 09:20 AM Post #15 |
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I think that what they're trying to do is even it out so that people who go to less good schools have a better chance of getting in(the assumption they're making is that if you go to certain schools you are less likely to achieve high marks). I can understand this, but I think that if that's what they're thinking they should just lower the boundaries in lower achieving schools slightly, but I'm not even too sure we're in a situation where that's necessary. Doing what they're doing now though, they could deprive the world of some great minds where they're needed. If it's only with A*s it won't make a lot of difference, but if it's with all grades then yeh maybe some person who would've gone on to be a good doctor(for example) won't, and will work somewhere doing something less important instead. |
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