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Zenkai's After Freeza
Topic Started: Oct 13 2011, 09:36 AM (4,101 Views)
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Nov 10 2011, 10:23 PM

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As I said, being unconscious does not mean your about to die, and after Frieza there weren't many times that this happen.


Zarbon and 18 knocked him unconscious, Recoome didn't. But I don't think it really matters.

I honestly can't believe anyone is arguing Super Saiyans can get zenkais....there are 0 implied or noted zenkais (other than Cell) after Super Saiyan.

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That doesn't look anywhere near as bad as the beatdowns he got from Zarbon and Recoome. :huh:

*No idea where the rest of your post went...
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Check out Vegeta against Cell...this is worse than Recoome.

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Krillin thinks he's dead. lol
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When would a strength increase be noted? There was no time to care about that kind of stuff when Goku and Gohan came out of the RoSaT, and then Vegeta went back in.
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There was plenty of time...it was plainly shown that 50% MSSJ Goku blows him out of the water.

anyway...all zenkais in the Freeza arc are noted, every single one....even the small ones Goku gets while training in 100x gravity.
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They were noted because Zenkai's were important then. Any Zenkai Vegeta got probably wouldn't be mentioned because it didn't put him anywhere near Cell's power so there would be no point bringing it up.
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Either that or Vegeta just wasn't bad enough for a Zenkai then.
I personally think only Cell and Gohan got zenkai's after namek.
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Only Cell got one.
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Nov 12 2011, 03:13 PM
Only Cell got one.
He was the only one stated to have got one. Gohan was heavily hinted at due to be stated that he was near death.
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Nov 12 2011, 04:31 PM
Victorious
Nov 12 2011, 03:13 PM
Only Cell got one.
He was the only one stated to have got one. Gohan was heavily hinted at due to be stated that he was near death.
When was this?
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Nov 12 2011, 05:35 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 04:31 PM
Victorious
Nov 12 2011, 03:13 PM
Only Cell got one.
He was the only one stated to have got one. Gohan was heavily hinted at due to be stated that he was near death.
When was this?
From the official Viz translation (Volume 23)

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Supreme Kai (To Kibito): "That's right. Now hurry - before he dies!!"

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Gohan: What?! You mean I died...?!
Supreme Kai: No, though you were close.

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Nov 12 2011, 05:43 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 05:35 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 04:31 PM
Victorious
Nov 12 2011, 03:13 PM
Only Cell got one.
He was the only one stated to have got one. Gohan was heavily hinted at due to be stated that he was near death.
When was this?
From the official Viz translation (Volume 23)

Page 147
Supreme Kai (To Kibito): "That's right. Now hurry - before he dies!!"

Page 163
Gohan: What?! You mean I died...?!
Supreme Kai: No, though you were close.

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That just means he came close to death, not got a zenkai...lol....

A zenkai is a large power up a Saiyan gets when recovering from near death. Plus Vegeta sees Gohan's un impressive power against Dabura and thinks it's pathetic..so he didnt get stronger that's for certain.

There are 0 noted or even implied zenkais after Super Saiyan.
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Well I just said it was hinted at because it was stated that he was near death and that's what I showed you.
Also not all Zenkai's are huge, Vegeta had 1 or 2 smallish ones back in the Namek saga (Although at the time they were big because a few thousand difference meant a lot). And yes they do get them when recovering from near death, which is exactly what Gohan did.
What does Gohan and Dabura's fight have to do with it though? That was before Gohan was beaten to near death.
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Vegeta's zenkais although small compared to the later ones.... were still considerable...

Think of it this way

He got one zenkai after his fight with Goku, and Cui is at 18,000.. which is equal to his max battle power on Earth against Goku...and he demolished Cui in less than 30 seconds.

He then got another zenkai where he went from getting dominated by monster Zarbon to showing complete Superiority over monster Zarbon.

Both power increases were noted.

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What does Gohan and Dabura's fight have to do with it though? That was before Gohan was beaten to near death.


Never mind i messed up, I was thinking that sequence of events was Kibito healing Gohan after his energy was drained by Spopovitch and Yamu, not after getting beaten up by Fat Buu.
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Nov 12 2011, 02:44 PM
There was plenty of time...it was plainly shown that 50% MSSJ Goku blows him out of the water.

anyway...all zenkais in the Freeza arc are noted, every single one....even the small ones Goku gets while training in 100x gravity.
Vegeta's quote concerning Goku's 50% power could easily be taking into account any zenkai he received.

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P13.1-2
Context: After sensing half of Full Power Super Saiyan Goku’s full power from a distance.
Vegeta (to self): “Da-damn you, Kakarot… It’s always like this… He’s always a step ahead of me…! It drives me crazy…Just when I think I’ve caught up, he widens the lead again…”

Also, it's stated in the SEG that zenkais become miniscule after the Freeza saga. That can be interpreted to mean they hardly show up, or they become so small they don't make a difference. So if Vegeta was at 2,000,000,000 and went to 2,040,000,000, he's not going to make a big deal about it.
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Also, it's stated in the SEG that zenkais become miniscule after the Freeza saga. That can be interpreted to mean they hardly show up, or they become so small they don't make a difference. So if Vegeta was at 2,000,000,000 and went to 2,040,000,000, he's not going to make a big deal about it.


Does it really say that in the SEG? you have a link



BTW...Teen Gohan, could you give me a link to the website you get those viz translations from? Anyone else know where I can read Viz manga translations online?
Edited by Victorious, Nov 12 2011, 07:32 PM.
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