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Zenkai's After Freeza
Topic Started: Oct 13 2011, 09:36 AM (4,103 Views)
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I think they still got them but they were few and far between Z and GT because of the way the saiyans evolved when it came to pain they could take.

- History of Trunks in the manga notes Gohan getting stronger after losing his arm.
- Cell has been mentioned
- Gohan is debatable mostly by how you define his potential being unlocked
- Vegeta in GT is said to be stronger after ridding himself of Bebi to the point he could theoretically handle ssj4's stress on his body
- Broly was noted to have gotten stronger in 10

The saiyans just took more of a pounding after Namek, but never were beaten to they were on the edge of dying like say Vegeta after Zarbon or Reome when he couldn't move. They got knocked out and worn out but never almost beaten to death. The worst beating one took was Vegeta versus KD Buu but he was dead anyhow taking it lol
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I'm not sure if zenkai's happened in Dragonball GT. Unless Son Goku gotten one when he was almost dead in Shadow Dragon arc, where he tanked on Omega Shenron's Negative Coma Ball.

I know it's possible that Son Gohan gotten one after being beaten by Majin Boo.
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in gt, goku does mention them to baby, iirc.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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After Spopovich ran in and attacked Gohan at the tournament and he was immobilized..... Kibito healed Gohan and when he got up he was like "I feel even stronger than before!"
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Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
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Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".

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Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
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Where is it stated that a zenaki stops after SSJ? We don't know how big was the gap between 18 and Vegeta when they first fought, but here's something. If Frieza would have beaten Vegeta to a pulp, healed Vegeta, would he be strong enough to beat Frieza? Nope, the gap was too big, he would have needed three more if I'm not mistaken. Akira stopped talking about the zenkai because it wasn't a main thing anymore. Akira introduced the zenkai in the Freza saga and that's why it was constantly spoken of, plus, that Vegeta's gap with Zarbon, etc, were not that big.
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Nov 10 2011, 06:04 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
You said that saiyan's lost the attribute which has to be supported somewhere. It doesn't say they kept it or lost it anywhere after SSJ. So by default they have it unless it's proven they don't.

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Zenkais happened in every saga. The constant existence of Zenkais has never been disturbed. Supreme Kai or Kibito never said anything about Gohan's strength post-healing and Pre-Z Sword. Thus, if not stated that he didn't have one, he must've had one.
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Nov 10 2011, 06:15 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:04 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
You said that saiyan's lost the attribute which has to be supported somewhere. It doesn't say they kept it or lost it anywhere after SSJ. So by default they have it unless it's proven they don't.
There's no evidence any of them get zenkais after Super Saiyan.
Edited by Victorious, Nov 10 2011, 06:24 PM.
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Nov 10 2011, 06:23 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:15 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 06:04 PM
illstand1
Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
You said that saiyan's lost the attribute which has to be supported somewhere. It doesn't say they kept it or lost it anywhere after SSJ. So by default they have it unless it's proven they don't.
There's no evidence any of them get zenkais after Super Saiyan.
There isn't any evidence that they don't get it. So since there's no evidence on both sides, since it's been proven that at one point they do get it, that's the best answer.

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Nov 10 2011, 06:31 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 06:23 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:15 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 06:04 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
You said that saiyan's lost the attribute which has to be supported somewhere. It doesn't say they kept it or lost it anywhere after SSJ. So by default they have it unless it's proven they don't.
There's no evidence any of them get zenkais after Super Saiyan.
There isn't any evidence that they don't get it. So since there's no evidence on both sides, since it's been proven that at one point they do get it, that's the best answer.
There's plenty of evidence they don't get it...the evidence for not getting something is not getting something, lol

SSJ Goku beaten up and knocked out by Android 19, never noted to get zenkai, power never noted to increase
SSJ Vegeta, beaten up and knocked out by Android 18, never noted to get a zenkai, power never noted to increase
SSJ Future Trunks, beaten up and knocked out by Android 17, never noted to get a zenkai, power never noted to increase.
USSJ Vegeta, beaten up and knocked unconscious by Perfect Cell, never noted to get a zenkai, power never stated to increase.

MSSJ Goku, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta in the Cell games are all beaten up by the Cell Juniors to a point where they can't even move, they eat senzu beans and none of their powers were noted to get higher or have changed.


And that's just the Cell arc..in the Buu arc it's the same. Even Ultimate Gohan gets beaten silly by Buutenks and then gets healed by Dende. Buutenks notes that although Gohan is healed his power didn't increase and then beats him up some more.
Edited by Victorious, Nov 10 2011, 06:40 PM.
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Nov 10 2011, 06:39 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:31 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:23 PM
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Nov 10 2011, 06:15 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 06:04 PM
illstand1
Nov 10 2011, 05:53 PM
Victorious
Nov 10 2011, 05:00 PM
Gohan never got any zenkai.

There are no zenkais after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan.

Cell is the only one in the entire story to ever get a zenkai after the Freeza arc. He has a Saiyan genetic component, but he's not a Saiyan.
If it's stated that Zenkai's are a saiyan attribute it has to be contradicted at least once for it to be proven false. "Innocent until proven guilty".
I never said they were not a attribute.
You said that saiyan's lost the attribute which has to be supported somewhere. It doesn't say they kept it or lost it anywhere after SSJ. So by default they have it unless it's proven they don't.
There's no evidence any of them get zenkais after Super Saiyan.
There isn't any evidence that they don't get it. So since there's no evidence on both sides, since it's been proven that at one point they do get it, that's the best answer.
There's plenty of evidence they don't get it...the evidence for not getting something is not getting something, lol

SSJ Goku beaten up and knocked out by Android 19, never noted to get zenkai, power never noted to increase
SSJ Vegeta, beaten up and knocked out by Android 18, never noted to get a zenkai, power never noted to increase
SSJ Future Trunks, beaten up and knocked out by Android 17, never noted to get a zenkai, power never noted to increase.
USSJ Vegeta, beaten up and knocked unconscious by Perfect Cell, never noted to get a zenkai, power never stated to increase.

MSSJ Goku, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta in the Cell games are all beaten up by the Cell Juniors to a point where they can't even move, they eat senzu beans and none of their powers were noted to get higher or have changed.


And that's just the Cell arc..in the Buu arc it's the same. Even Ultimate Gohan gets beaten silly by Buutenks and then gets healed by Dende. Buutenks notes that although Gohan is healed his power didn't increase and then beats him up some more.
Which one of those battles would zenkai allow them to win the battle with the next villain so the author would bother noting it for you to notice.

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zenkais are a stated trait of the saiyan race. a saiyan who survives a near death injury becomes more powerful when they heal from those injuries. after the first few times when zenkais were pointed out and all the rules and loopholes concerning them were shown, they never needed to be mentioned again. if someone says a wounded saiyan is "near death" "barely alive" "half dead" or any other variation, then we automatically know that the saiyan will get a zenkai, because the process has already been explained.

@Victorious. getting beaten up doesn't cause zenkais, nor does getting knocked out. receiving a near death injury is the only trigger for zenkais. after frieza, the only "saiyans" to receive near death injuries were cell and gohan.
Edited by lunar2, Nov 10 2011, 06:47 PM.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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