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| Fourth Doctor Who | Oct 13 2011, 09:36 AM Post #1 |
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I do believe that zenkai's (near-death power increases) can still happen after the Freeza saga and not entirely abandoned when a Saiya-jin user goes Super Saiya-jin. Zenkai in my opinion are used in the story to make the saiya-jin to catch up, or to surpass enemies fighting power but not achieving Super Saiya-jin form much quicker, while Super Saiya-jin form is triggered by intense angry emotions. If it's true near-death power increases stop when the saiya-jin user is at Super Saiya-jin form, that means there is no longer in the future story arcs to help the Saiya-jin to catch up, or to supass enemies fighting power. I know the saiya-jin train to become stronger by using the Room and Spirit of Time to there advantage to get stronger, or special supernatural power ups like Chou Gohan and Majin Vegeta. What do you guys think about zenkai (near-death power increases) after Freeza Saga? Edited by Fourth Doctor Who, Oct 13 2011, 09:38 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Oct 13 2011, 12:42 PM Post #2 |
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Did anyone actually get close enough to near death to trigger a zenkai after Frieza? I'm struggling to think of anyone that would get one. Gohan after Buu most probably, but then he had the Z sword training and potential unlock after that, so we can't really tell how much it may have affected his strength. Zenkai's served their purpose during the Frieza saga as nobody had any time to do any serious training after they reached Namek. There needed to be some way for them to make up the power gap, and having zenkai's was the way to do it. In the following sagas they were abandoned as the characters were given other ways to get stronger (rosat, fusion etc). I was never a fan of zenkai's anyway. They always seemed like a bit of a cheat to me. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 13 2011, 12:48 PM Post #3 |
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Cell's Zenkai Gohan's Zenkai after getting thrashed by Boo. Those are the only two situations where zenkais were applied imo. |
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Oct 13 2011, 12:54 PM Post #4 |
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Cell's zenkai is the only one to be noted. No other zenkais were implied. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 13 2011, 02:47 PM Post #5 |
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cell's zenkai was the only one to be stated. gohan almost definitely got one, but since no one involved in that scene knew about zenkais, it wasn't stated. however, it was stated that he was near death, which is pretty much the same as stating he got a zenkai. |
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Oct 13 2011, 02:53 PM Post #6 |
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No power change was noted. The claim is baseless. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 13 2011, 03:00 PM Post #7 |
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doesn't matter. the zenkai does not need to be stated to happen, if the prerequisites for a zenkai are met. the zenkai happens, unless stated not to, because there is a pre-existing rule about the behavior of saiyan bodies. they get nearly killed, they get stronger when they heal. that is the rule. all exceptions to that rule must be noted. |
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| + Clearin | Oct 13 2011, 03:30 PM Post #8 |
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It's not baseless... Zenkais are stated to happen near death, Gohan was near death. Saying Gohan was near death is pretty much the 2nd closest to flat out telling us he got one, other than saying "Gohan got a zenkai" Anyway I agree with Cell and Gohan getting the only zenkai's after the Freeza saga. Edited by Clearin, Oct 13 2011, 03:31 PM.
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| Fourth Doctor Who | Oct 13 2011, 06:59 PM Post #9 |
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I guess Cell was the only one who got a zenkai bonus after his self-destruct for a plot device to catch up to Son Gohan in power. Broly was noted to also gained one through anime-only universe of Dragonball Z in Movie 10. Nothing mentioned on zenkai's in Dragonball GT either. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 13 2011, 07:03 PM Post #10 |
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like i said. gohan got one in the buu arc, after fat buu beat him down. AT even made a point to have it stated that he was barely alive, since none of the characters there knew about zenkais. |
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Oct 13 2011, 07:49 PM Post #11 |
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But no power up was noted. If he was all of a sudden far stronger than what he was prior to the 'zenkai' wouldn't Kaioshin have noticed? Also I'm pretty sure Vegeta was near death vs initial Perfect Cell and Trunks was near death after his fight with the Androids. Did they get zenkais? It was never noted and thus never happened. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Oct 13 2011, 08:24 PM Post #12 |
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Vegeta was beated pretty badly by Initial Perfect Cell as well, though it would probably be debated as to whether he was near-death or not... That would be hte only other instance aside from the aforementioned. |
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| Mihawk | Oct 13 2011, 11:36 PM Post #13 |
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I think there were zenkais, just that the power gaps between fighters was way too much for them to be even counted in the situations at hand. After the frieza saga when the sayians fought it was either completely bashed someone or you lost (in situations of near death). In gohan vs buu, there was a zenkai obviously since it was never contradicted, but it wasn't nearly enough to catch up in the huge power gap between buu and gohan. There was a zenkai in cell vs gohan, and it was mentioned because the power difference with gohan wasn't gigantic (but I do still think gohan wouldn't win if he didn't protect vegeta). |
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| G.G. | Oct 15 2011, 03:10 PM Post #14 |
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It is what TVTropes called a continuity snarl, Zenkais stopped being revelant after the Frieza saga. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 15 2011, 05:35 PM Post #15 |
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yeah, they stopped being relevant after cell, but that doesn't mean they stopped happening. |
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