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[Spoiler] Tobi Madara
Topic Started: Oct 12 2011, 05:26 PM (5,362 Views)
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Nov 29 2011, 07:57 PM
Just found this on a nother forum. Gonna post it here. I totally agree with all of what's said. Kagami Uchiha is Danzou's teammate.

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I also really doubt that Tobi is Izuna, purely because I think it's bad story telling. Picture the scene, if you will, and I think it'd go something along the lines of this:

*Naruto rips Tobi's mask off and it's Izuna's face, only slightly older*
Naruto: Wh-who are you?!
Kakashi/some other character: I know that face! You're Uchiha Izuna!
*Crowd gasps*
*Izuna proceeds to monologue about some crappy reason regarding his hatred for Konoha. Probably stemming from the fight between Hashirama Senju and Madara at the Valley of the End*

It's really bad storytelling, which Kishimoto hasn't done so far. Everything has significance. Everything. A character doesn't say something, or we're not shown what they think (or do, for that matter) without a VERY good reason. For instance, we're not shown Sakura healing people because we like her character, we're shown it to give an example of what war does - the worse-than-death injuries people have, and how much skill a Doctor has to have to take care of people in those conditions.

Futhermore, compare it to some iconic things in Pop Culture;
Instead of Darth Vader being Luke's father, it's actually his uncle, who killed Luke's actual Father.
Voldemort was actually Harry's grandfather.

It's a whim of the writer, given purely for shock value that has no impact whatsoever.
That's an interesting way to put it... but from what we've seen it looks nothing like Madara? Just for the record I still think he's some type of zetsu clone because of that image I posted earlier. Zetsu clone of who? What? Not sure. Not to mention that the eye doesn't have to be the same since Obito lost his eye and Tobi had a huge store of them. I think he has a split personality Zetsu like black/white Zetsu where one half is Obtio (since it's the same eye as Kakashi) and the other half is a Madara Zetsu clone (explaining how he's able to go from a Obito personality to serious personality at whim). The other half of Madara is completely black, after all (could be shading but I doubt it).

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Izanagi!

You know what'll happen right?

It wont be Obito
It wont be Izuna
It wont be any form of Sasuke
It wont be an Uchiha

It's gonna be a random character Kishi throws in and makes a backstory for.

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that be pretty funny seeing as so many naruto fans have spent a time thinking who is tobi
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Its secretly Winnie The Pooh.
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Trolled by Kishi once again :(

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yeah but the chap was pretty good this time unlike two weeks ago that chap was good at best
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I havent read it yet =/ havent had da TIIIMMMMEEEEE.
So still no Tobi identity? Humph.....
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lol that would ruin the whole series
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Screw Pooh for a minute.

I heard a while ago a very good theory that just wasent complete, I built on it and I have something here:

Sasuke is Tobi.

Hold the gasps.

I dont mean current Sasuke, Im talking major back to the future timetravel crap.

For the most part, I will tell You the theory I heard, I will incidicate where my own mind comes into this.

What if Sasuke and Naruto never face eachother in the war arc, or even meet, it is much, much later, when Naruto is, hell, perhaps hokage, Sasuke will attack the leaf village.

However, when Naruto manages to put Sasuke into a severely weakened state, he just cant kill him.

He instead decides to use some major reaper-death-seal hax that take all of the evil and hate in Sasuke, but because there is nowhere to seal it, he instead seals this "Evil" Sasuke in the past.

Here is where my own theory comes in.

Because its the RDS, Naruto dies and Sasuke lives, however the cold, horrible chakra and emotion that was sent to the past, about the time Mada fought Hasirama? He shows up and The fox gets sense of his chakra.....so to speak.
He confuses this for Madara's chakra.

This chakra is just a shell, but by some means, he creates Zetsu, or the original Zetsu finds him, and by some means, makes the chakra able to move, talk and live, and thus it adopts the name Tobi, and somehow gets himself his sharingan

Then, much much later, when Tobi(Yes, Tobi, not madara.) Takes control of the nine tails and the fox again incorrectly identifies this as Madara's chakra, Tobi threatens to kill Naruto because he knows what Naruto will do to him in the future.

However he is foiled, as we know, and retreats for many years, by some means he evolves his sharingan into a mangekyou, somehow, possibly by taking Madara's eternal MS, which becomes the rinnegan, he then gives the rinnegan to Nagato but has to get 2 new sharingan that cannot evolve.

He gets the whole original akatsuki thing done so that in the future the akatsuki will be able to make this times Sasuke even more sour and bitter, because Tobi has said his true goal is to be "Complete."(I will explain this later.)

He has Zetsu moniter the valley of the end fight between Naruto and Sasuke, hence why we see Zetsu at the end after Kakashi takes Naruto back to the leaf.

He lays low for a while until the events of shippuden.

Okay, I will explain one reason I belive this.

In the preview in shippuden episode 1/chapter 1, the fox says to Sasuke in Naruto's jinchuriki gate.
"You chakra is foul......such as Uchiha Madara's!"(Because remember I belive he may have mistaken the chakra as Madaras.)
Sasuke replies with "Never heard of him." Which could well be very ironic.

Now, onto why the fox confused the chakra.
If Tobi was just a shell that couldnt move, from the moment he appeared he could move, so the fox could assume that Madara's chakra turned that evil.

About the moons eye plan:
What if its not exactly to rule the world, but to make it so that he can make Sasuke turn out evil enough and kill Naruto, so that while the Tobi we know may not be complete, his final goal of being complete could well be realised by Sasuke just getting more twisted and evil.

And so thats my theory, say what You like about it =/
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Lol well thought out but WAY too complex imo. Whatever it is I'm sure it has to do with Zetsu still though.

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Flashflood, I'm not going to lie. I got to "Sasuke is Tobi" in that post and stopped reading because no. Just no.

If that actually happens. I will eat my socks, film it, and post it on YouTube, then make it my life mission to hunt down Kishi and beat the crap out of him.
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^ lol

anyone read yesterdays chap it was really good at the end but the chap was only like 14 pages i believe
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The ending of yesterday's chapter was amazing. It makes up for Kishi still trolling with Tobi's identity.

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i know right

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Byakko
Dec 8 2011, 08:07 PM
Flashflood, I'm not going to lie. I got to "Sasuke is Tobi" in that post and stopped reading because no. Just no.

If that actually happens. I will eat my socks, film it, and post it on YouTube, then make it my life mission to hunt down Kishi and beat the crap out of him.
Not current Sasuke, its some serious time travel sealing evil hate stuff.

And its not even my theory, I just built on it to make it make a little more sense.

And, ikr Illstand, its TOBICEPTION!!!
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