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[Spoiler] Tobi Madara
Topic Started: Oct 12 2011, 05:26 PM (5,367 Views)
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Oct 13 2011, 01:01 PM
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Obito was a strong beliver in the Uchiha, the sharingan, its understandable if he would go a bit nuts over the fact he is the last of 2 Uchiha's we know of to survive.
Tobi helped Itachi massacre the Uchiha. Why would he agree to something like that, then go insane over it?

I still think it has to do with Izanagi. Izanagi twists time and reality for the user. Tobi stated he used it already and his left eye is never shown.

Tobi/Madara says that he used it in his fight with Shodai Hokage to fake his own death. This would mean that two possibilities became one - One where Madara dies, and one where he escapes.

Shodai is supposed to be one of the greatest Shinobi who ever existed. Ever. Maybe not Rikkudo Sennin, but he could control the Bijuu. Something tells me he's not going to look at a fake dead body and go "Oh, that's the guy I just had an epic battle with. He's totally dead. I'm not even going to make absolutely sure!"

I think Madara used Izanagi to get away. His real body died, but he lived on, albeit greatly weakened (although, still exceptionally powerful) in the body he has now.
Past the first paragrpah, I said that in fewer words =P
But I agree, I'm still willing to belive in Obito though, we hve seen nothing of him since Kakashi's flashback, ANYTHING could have happened should it be him.
I will post an example, I dont follow it buts it worth giving it the name of example at least:

Helps massacre.
Rin or someone else he cares for dies.
Realises mistake.
NOOOOOOOO
Rage.
We have Tobi?

Also I realise Rin isent an Uchiha, but Im saying mabye she could get caught in the crossfire or something.

All should be revealed next week anyway, along with Sasuke arriving on the battlefield.
Edited by Arkadom, Oct 13 2011, 06:08 PM.
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What if Obito's Mangekyo was unlocked whilst he was under the rocks? Would it be illogical to say that his Mangekyo would allow him to manipulate space?
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Unless he somehow managed to kill Kakashi and revive him without us noticing, I dont think thats really possible.
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Obito was a strong beliver in the Uchiha, the sharingan, its understandable if he would go a bit nuts over the fact he is the last of 2 Uchiha's we know of to survive.
Tobi helped Itachi massacre the Uchiha. Why would he agree to something like that, then go insane over it?

I still think it has to do with Izanagi. Izanagi twists time and reality for the user. Tobi stated he used it already and his left eye is never shown.

Tobi/Madara says that he used it in his fight with Shodai Hokage to fake his own death. This would mean that two possibilities became one - One where Madara dies, and one where he escapes.

Shodai is supposed to be one of the greatest Shinobi who ever existed. Ever. Maybe not Rikkudo Sennin, but he could control the Bijuu. Something tells me he's not going to look at a fake dead body and go "Oh, that's the guy I just had an epic battle with. He's totally dead. I'm not even going to make absolutely sure!"

I think Madara used Izanagi to get away. His real body died, but he lived on, albeit greatly weakened (although, still exceptionally powerful) in the body he has now.
I'm really inclined to believe this now. Loved the explanation. Izanagi might have created a weaker form of himself to escape the battle but in reality he did die. His new body is a lot weaker, hence why he is scared of a controlled and revived full power Madara against him. It also adds up that Madara gave the rinnengan a long time ago to Nagato and why Madara revived thought of Nagato revived him. I think you just frekin nailed it.

I think the Obito theory still stands though; if anything a little more reinforced. Maybe he needed a real body to inhabit and the only living? Uchiha was Obito. When he got in the body it might have promoted body growth or similar. He also explains that he's only a "shell" of his former self which would mean that he only thinks of Obito as a shell.
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Oct 13 2011, 01:01 PM
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Oct 13 2011, 12:29 PM
Obito was a strong beliver in the Uchiha, the sharingan, its understandable if he would go a bit nuts over the fact he is the last of 2 Uchiha's we know of to survive.
Tobi helped Itachi massacre the Uchiha. Why would he agree to something like that, then go insane over it?

I still think it has to do with Izanagi. Izanagi twists time and reality for the user. Tobi stated he used it already and his left eye is never shown.

Tobi/Madara says that he used it in his fight with Shodai Hokage to fake his own death. This would mean that two possibilities became one - One where Madara dies, and one where he escapes.

Shodai is supposed to be one of the greatest Shinobi who ever existed. Ever. Maybe not Rikkudo Sennin, but he could control the Bijuu. Something tells me he's not going to look at a fake dead body and go "Oh, that's the guy I just had an epic battle with. He's totally dead. I'm not even going to make absolutely sure!"

I think Madara used Izanagi to get away. His real body died, but he lived on, albeit greatly weakened (although, still exceptionally powerful) in the body he has now.
I'm really inclined to believe this now. Loved the explanation. Izanagi might have created a weaker form of himself to escape the battle but in reality he did die. His new body is a lot weaker, hence why he is scared of a controlled and revived full power Madara against him. It also adds up that Madara gave the rinnengan a long time ago to Nagato and why Madara revived thought of Nagato revived him. I think you just frekin nailed it.

I think the Obito theory still stands though; if anything a little more reinforced. Maybe he needed a real body to inhabit and the only living? Uchiha was Obito. When he got in the body it might have promoted body growth or similar. He also explains that he's only a "shell" of his former self which would mean that he only thinks of Obito as a shell.
How did the dead Madara know Nagato then, if he died in the battle against Hashirama? Edo Madara knows who Nagato is and was expecting to be revived with Rinne Tensei presumably.

Tobi stated Nagato was meant to use Rinne Tensei for his purposes.

Tobi and the real Madara are different people. So his body couldn't die because he lived past the VoTE.

To me Tobi was meant to get Nagato to fully revive the real Madara.

Splitting his soul with Izanagi works possibly.

I think Tobi/Half of Madara's soul is using a Zetsu host because he has so many Zetsu parts in his body, and the fact that Ao states Tobi and Madara have a different feeling Chakra which befits two different people more. Plus the fact that real Madara lived on to meet Nagato at some stage.

Otherwise the person could be Izuna kept alive by Zetsu to stop aging, or Tobi was created by Madara as a servant like Zetsu.

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it cant be anyone but madara . tobi = madara. maybe a clone or reincaration
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Interesting. Now it's most likely not Madara according to the latest chapter. But this latest chapter was in the top 3 chapters of all naruto history!

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I'd place it mabye 11 in the top 15, nowhere on the top 3.
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Or it could still be Izuna, Madara took his eyes.
It makes sense if he needed to take others eyes and therefore could not awaken his rinnegan.

I also suspect a major death soon, last one I think was Asuma.

Plus, You know the Izanagi technique?
In japanese mythology, and the japanese fable/religion creation story, IZUNAmi was the other god.
Izuna.

So, I just thought I'd put that out there for Ya guys.
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I honestly believe that Sasuke will kill Kakashi. Kakashi'll be dying and will tell Sasuke how he unlocked his Mangekyo Sharingan

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Goddess of Creation and Death.

Form of Resurrection unique to Izuna? Maybe.
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Dammit I mispelled >.<

I hate that...

Anyway, Im not sure, but Im sure Kishi will do it.
And I'd love to see how Kakashi got his MS.
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I'd place it mabye 11 in the top 15, nowhere on the top 3.
This might be the most random thing I've EVER read when it comes to Naruto.

It was a really good chapter. Not the best, but it'll be interesting to see how far Kishimoto takes this fight, especially now that Naruto is in Sage Mode, unless he wastes it with Rasenshuriken. I was worried that Sage Mode was going to become something Naruto hardly ever used now that he has KCM, but that doesn't seem to be the case
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I just want to see more Sasuke, and more Tobi.

Also, can You imagine if Sasuke lived in the modern day and had a car?

-Someone overtakes Sasuke on the motorway-
Sasuke:You laugh and scorn my clan!?! AMATERASU!!!
-Car is destroyed-
Sasuke:Mwuhahahahahahaaa!!!!!
Tobi:Tobi was a good boy, then he posed as Madara and turns out to be someone else.
Sasuke:You talked, You insulted Itachi, DIEEEE!!!!
-Susanoo.-
Sasuke:Now my clan is free!

-30 minutes later, Sasuke walks over to his car-
Sasuke: A PARKING TICKET!?!!?!
-Handsigns.-
Sasuke:CHIIIDDDOOORRIIIII!!!!!!
-Sasuke charges at the nearest traffic warden and kills him.-
Sasuke:hmph.

Naruto:Sasuke! Come back to The leaf.
Sasuke:Like 30 centuries on You are STILL trying to get me back?
Thats like....insulting my power, the Uchiha's power!!!!
Naruto:Oh boy.
-Naruto walks away-
Sasuke:I am an avenger, I wil-.......he left........AMATERASU!
-Sasuke incinerates himself.-

At least, thats how he'd probably act the way he is now at this point, if he lived in modern times.
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