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Who is the most powerful human?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2011, 10:02 PM (5,675 Views)
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They aren't Goku and had no example to go off of at that time.

Vegeta can't even manipulate his power without showing strain at that point , until he watches Goku do it. In fact he learned how to push his power all the way down by watching Gohan and Krillin, and manipulate his pl against Jeice after watching Goku do it first hand versus the Ginyu Force. How can you use that for your argument if Vegeta of all people can't do the same thing until seeing Goku firsthand in action and observing how much power Goku really used in comparison to what he was putting out for the scouters to read? And just for note, Gohan and Krillin also repeat the same feat after watching Goku versus Frieza, when Vegeta says how their powers were growing.


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People will shrug that off as him talking about Gohan's rage boosts, but I'm not so sure Piccolo knew about that too much yet. But I digress.

I have Krillin stronger than 1500 on Namek, simply because when we see him changing in the cave, he takes off a weighted shirt and wristbands.
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I voted for krill because he was surpassed tien by a huge margin so
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Until namek saga, tien. Then krillin all the way. Yamcha proves the point himself at the 25th. Although some people like to hype tiens showing against buu, there's nothing to suggest that krillin wouldn't have put on a much better show.

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* waits for coco and Rolf to say he got turned to Chocolate when he went to attack and ignore that Tien got one shorted by half a Buu
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Let's not provoke each other. This is a friendly environment, fellas.
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Kblo247
Oct 18 2011, 12:57 AM
* waits for coco and Rolf to say he got turned to Chocolate when he went to attack and ignore that Tien got one shorted by half a Buu
Funny how you even think that could be a point for Tenshinhan>Krillin.
Also you referring to filler which doesn't even have any meaning to this argument amuses me.

*awaits another horrible post by Kblo*
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Coco, I just told them not to provoke anybody. Please don't continue doing it to them either. I'd like to keep this friendly.
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I'll just post asking:

Do you now have anything to say that Tien trained in the 7 years post cell games after declaring himself inaqduate in comparison to the saiyans and piccolo before the games, or if you have anything that shows any of the trio of Gohan//Krillin/Vegeta not straining themselves to raise their powers before watching Goku versus the Ginyu Force today?

I'm not really provoked. It isn't like we are cussing and fussing, just disagreeing about where Tien and Krillin are because he feels Tien likely trained and progressed because of his characters early MO in Dragonball, whereas I feel Tien never closed the gap between the two. I also feel the fact is Yamcha thinking amongst humans/earthlings to himself sealed that and that there can't be an actual factual argument disproving that Krillin trained until he had a family after the games either. Just a disagreement, no beef as there is no hostility or name calling.

And to be clear, the turned to chocolate and being eaten part was what i thought would be an excuse for folg who still never had any logic that I can see about his 17 being killed claims and ignoring that 17 had no life signature for Buu to even target him. It was more of a I wouldn't put it past him to point that, whereas the Tien still got one shotted by a half Buu and showed no actual physical display of power in the Frieza, android, cell or Buu arcs to put him over Krillin
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When Boo is killing everybody, we get a shot of Tenshinhan training with Chaozu in the mountains.
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Yeah I know there was a shot of them in the mountains together, but there is nothing to say they were training for the full 7 years after the games. It is just a pic (C488 - P13) of the clown on the ground looking at a hole and Tien looking angry after being shot at and likely sensing the widespread destruction.

They dodge the blasts because they sensed them coming like I said pages back, when the 17 got killed by Super Buu comment was made to talk up how strong his common blast which was directed at Dende was. I argued that there was nothing to say that 17 was killed by that Buu because he couldn't be sensed to have a blast directed at him and was likely killed by Kid Buu blowing up earth like Tien, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are. Folg said 17 got killed because he couldn't feel the blast coming and if it was strong enough to kill him, Tien had to be very strong and more powerful than Krillin to deflect it from killing Dende.

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17 and 18 BOTH Can't sense ki. They were androids and never were trained to do such a thing. 18 might have picked it up, but we all KNOW 17 didn't get such luxury. Tenshinhan, Chaozu, dende, satan were the only survivors
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From his introduction up to the Saiyan arc, I'll give it to Tenshinhan.
Kuririn is strongest from his potential release until the 3 years of training
Ten is strongest until the 7 years of peace after the Cell Games. After that, it's not quite clear, but I think that based on what we saw from the previous arcs, Ten is likely the stronger of the 2.
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You really don't know much about db when you start claiming that Tenshinhan didn't train in the 7 year gap lol.
Anyhow there are Daizenshuu exerts about him constantly training;
'On a plot of land deep in the mountains, the two of them (Tenshinhan and Chaozu) immerse themselves in training.'
'After the battle with Cell, he set off with Chaozu on a journey of training.'
'He's a rare pure martial artist, who only wishes to get stronger.'

Certainly doesn't seem like someone who would stay at the same level of strength for even 1 year never mind 7.

I also like how people like to over look Buutenks' comments about Tenshinhan. Would Buutenks brag about knocking him out if he was only a Freeza tier opponent? I don't see it.

I think;

Tenshinhan (Buu arc)>>>>Krillin (post 3 years after Cell)>>>>>Tenshinhan(Android arc)>Krillln (Android arc).


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17 and 18 BOTH Can't sense ki. They were androids and never were trained to do such a thing. 18 might have picked it up, but we all KNOW 17 didn't get such luxury. Tenshinhan, Chaozu, dende, satan were the only survivors


He wa a cyborg first of all in the manga and even refers to himself and 18 being changed into cyborgs on Kai when confronted by Krillin.

You keep ignoring the fact he would not be able to even have a blast directed at him since Buu can't sense him just like the others weren't able to. There is nothing saying he gets killed by Super Buu. Absolutely nothing at all because no one could detect his life force anyhow to know if he was alive or dead after the Cell games, it was just assumed he was naturally included in the wish. There is nothing to say that they (Z fighters) ever saw him from the point he was absorbed to GT.

He could have very well been taken out in the blast that blew up the planet since once agin he can't be detected to shoot a blast at or even to know if he is alive or dead since he is a cyborg.

As for 18, I'll have to go back and look at the Kid Buu fight in the manga to see if she was sensing the battle like on the show with the other Z fighters.
Edited by Kblo247, Oct 18 2011, 02:47 AM.
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