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Oct 16 2011, 12:56 PM Post #46 |
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You can't even quote the manga properly. He says 'among Earthlings'. If he said among humans then that would mean Krillin>Goku. Tenshinhan had 260~days on Kaio's to get stronger. Krillin doesn't make larger percentage gains lol. Tenshinhan is the one who went from being weaker than Piccolo Daimao's underling to stronger than Piccolo Daimao himself in db. Tenshinhan does nothing else apart from train. It's his general attitude. If you actually read the manga you would realize this. Also you're referring to Krillin sparring with 18 when in fact that's pure filler. In the training for the Budokai Krillin is shown training by himself. And once again AT never said that lmao As for the rest of what you said you are just talking pure garbage. You just keep making baseless statement after baseless statement. |
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| + Clearin | Oct 16 2011, 12:56 PM Post #47 |
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I think Krillin got to about 350,000-400,000 by the time Tien is revived and Tien at about 300,000. Then I have Tien training harder and longer than Krillin. So that's why I don't have Krillin above Tien. Even if I put Krillin at 700,000 (Which is the highest I would consider) then Tien could close that gap easily imo. Edited to change Tien's PL which I put a bit too high last time. Edited by Clearin, Oct 16 2011, 01:02 PM.
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Oct 16 2011, 12:58 PM Post #48 |
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I'm just going to say once again that you are making baseless statements not supported by anything at all. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 16 2011, 08:44 PM Post #49 |
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What is false? The fact Tiens power jumped 7 fold with God training and Krillins jumped 8? The fact his power grew and was still growing on Namek? The fact Tien was never mentioned to train post cell games either, but people want to use his DB characteristics while ignoring that he declared himself inferior before the cell games? The fact the neo tribeam is über amplified and has no measure on his base strength, just like when Gohan used an enraged Masenko to hurt Frieza, Picoolo used a SBC to kill Raditz despite his base power being weak, and Goku used the kaioken amplifications to surpass Vegeta for bursts despite being weaker in his base form before? Did he not deflect a blast kent to hit Dende instead of Gohan? Is it not thought by Yamcha that he is the strongest human or earthling depending in translation? Has Toryiama not said that Krillin is behind only Uub as humans/earthlings go to end Z in an interview? Is there any passage that says Tien surpassed Krillin post Namek or any tv episode for that matter? Is there anything that says Krillin sat on his butt for 7 years and never trained, while Tien did? * don't give me some implied bs Is there anything to ever suggest Tien got bigger gains from Kai's training than Goku percentage or fold wise despite nit of them not being thought of as worthy enough to be taught kaioken or spirit bomb, and him not being a saiyan or Namek? Was Krillin not written as the only human fighter to go into battle in every arc against every villain at some point, while Tien and Yamcha and the clown sat on the sidelines? And theoretically if you imply that both men trained for any part post cell games despite it not being written, can you honestly say training with 18 isn't better than with Chioutzu who was the weakest 7 fighter back even in the saiyan saga when all men completed their god training as Yajirobe wasn't over 900 compared to his level that was closer to 700, and the fact he was said to be too weak to even be brought into the android battle? What feats are there besides pushing Cell back down and not even scratching him or deflecting the blass from Buu meant for Dende which shows him as being powerful and not just having 1 particular user amplified pushing attack? And don't you think that if he was so strong that the gap between him and them was less than Krillin and Nappa or Krillin and Frieza that he could at least scratch or hurt them like Krillins DD did? Edited by Kblo247, Oct 16 2011, 08:49 PM.
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| Fulgore | Oct 16 2011, 09:59 PM Post #50 |
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Pretty sure if Buu Expended the same amount of energy to kill a PEDESTRIAN, he'd exert the same amount of energy to kill dende or Gohan for that matter. Human Extinction attack was powerful enough to kill ANYONE on earth. Including 17 (Who I'm assuming was STRONGER THAN 18) So. 17 died, Tenshinhan lived. |
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Oct 16 2011, 10:07 PM Post #51 |
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@Kblo, Most of your points are completely irrelevant. As for your 1st point, I think you're referring to the Daiz number for Krillin which is contradicted by the manga. On Namek his pl is taken as ~1,500. In the Saiyan battle Tenshinhan is shown to be in the same league as Piccolo vs the Saibamen while Krillin, well, simply can't be considering a pl of 1,500 wouldn't have been unable to 1 shot a Saibamen in the same way Tenshinhan did and Piccolo basically did. In short it is actually more likely that Tenshinhan progressed more at God's place than the others. Also another point i'd like to make is that you keep referring to Tenshinhan's 'haxed techniques' when in fact Krillin is responsible for 2 of the most op techniques in the series (scatter shot vs Saibamen and the kienzan's). At least in the Shin Kikoho's case it is just a multiplier of the user's strength while in the Kienzan's case no matter how weak the fighter who uses it is, the kienzan could cut through ANYTHING. It is pure Krillin fanboyism to say Krillin>Tenshinhan at any points other than possibly the Trunks and Android arcs when it has been shown that overall Tenshinhan can make up huge gaps through training. Edited by Cocoman, Oct 16 2011, 10:08 PM.
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| + Clearin | Oct 16 2011, 10:13 PM Post #52 |
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Scatter Shot isn't even close to being OP. It's strength (Which probably isn't even that high) is compensated by it's speed. |
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Oct 16 2011, 11:03 PM Post #53 |
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I meant in a power sense and well Piccolo said it had great power before it split up. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 16 2011, 11:44 PM Post #54 |
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The thing is we don't know if 17 was killed by Super Buu since he has no power signature to be sensed to even send a blast at. And if he did get hit it had to do with him not knowing how to sense a blast coming. Tien and Chiatzu could sense the attack coming and dodge it And @ coco they are irrelevant because you know the answers aren't pro Tien. You can't substantiate credible replies to them and you know it. It was also never implied that 1500 was their max when arriving on Namek, just what they raised their powers to one shot the goons of Frieza who shot their ship Edited by Kblo247, Oct 16 2011, 11:45 PM.
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Oct 16 2011, 11:52 PM Post #55 |
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But they were visibly straining themselves when powering up. They were ~1,500 and that's manga fact. Edited by Cocoman, Oct 16 2011, 11:53 PM.
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| Kblo247 | Oct 17 2011, 12:03 AM Post #56 |
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I give you that they strained themselves but Zarbon also says they were around 1500 and just disappeared. I always took that as them pushing their power for an instant to on shot the goons and then suppressing it right after. I think they wouldn't be able to just push their max down so easily in an instant, even of small because there' is shown to be stress and then a noted drop, not disappearance when people power up to 100% |
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| + Clearin | Oct 17 2011, 12:06 AM Post #57 |
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Yeah they only powered up enough to one-shot the goons. Piccolo says Gohan is stronger than himself if he puts his mind to it. |
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| Fulgore | Oct 17 2011, 01:03 AM Post #58 |
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#17 CANT SENSE ENERGY. He most definitely was killed, you're just being silly now. Coco can continue debating with you, but you're just pulling conjecture out. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 17 2011, 01:13 AM Post #59 |
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#17 has no energy or life signature which means he also can't be sensed by Super Buu to even get a blast aimed at him from Kames tower where you can pretty much sense every being there is. you can formulate an argument that says he only died when Kid Buu blew up earth. You got to come better unless if you forgot 17 and 18 can't be sensed by anyone including god. |
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Oct 17 2011, 01:15 AM Post #60 |
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You do realize Goku raised his pl and lowered it so fast that the scouters didn't pick it up right? The fact that they raised their pls like that suggests that they were trying to intimidate the goons. Why else would they prolong it like that when they could have easily did what Goku did? They clearly exerted themselves and that's the end of it. |
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