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Who is the most powerful human?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2011, 10:02 PM (5,677 Views)
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his name is tenshinhan. even in the funi dub, that's what he was called in dragonball. in z, it was shortened to tien most of the time, but he was still occasionally referred to as tenshinhan. tien is just a funi exclusive nickname.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Krillin.

Tenshinhan was stronger until Krillin had his power unlocked by Guru.

Vegeta noted that Krillin's power level was rising throughout the Namek arc, to the point where he thought Krillin could help him against Freeza.

After that, we don't really have any evidence after Yamcha mentally confirming that Krillin is stronger. I know it's a popular fan-theory that Tenshinhan got much stronger through his training, but there's not a lot to support him ever surpassing Krillin again.
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Krillin.

He was stated to be in the manga by Yamcha. Yamcha said he wa the strongest fighter there is to his daughter, but thought "amongst humans anyway" in his head in the manga. The author openly has stated in interviews that aside from Uub, Krillin was e strongest human there was at the end of z.

Also there is never any indication that Tien caught up to him after Namek. Krillins power constantly grew on Namek from the fight with Recome at 13k to being well over 20k vs Ginyiu in Gokus body. In fact vegeta remarks in Kai and Goku in the manga that both Gohan and Krillin held back to stop from hurting Gokus body as they were stronger. His power grew even further from that battle to the fight versus Frieza, just like Gohans, and Vegeta makes note in the manga, Z, and Kai that both Krillin and Gohan could help him take Frieza because of the way their powers were still growing just avoiding the pop shots Frieza took at them.

Tien would have to get bigger gains than Goku percentage wise at Kai's place which isn't logical because he isn't a saiyan and cannot learn the kaioken. Krillin even got a bigger percentage jump in Kamis training than Tien iirc. When both were on earth waiting for goku to return and Friezas arrival Tien was not shown to be training at any time in the manga or show, whereas Krillin was shown at least once training at Kame house. After the 3 years of android prep, Krillin even states that the only reason he wasn't as confident as Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan was that he didn't have a SSJ transformation to fal back on which is actually quite telling of a comment since all the z fighters had to go on was the fact the androids were supposed to be stronger than Trunks who was stronger than Frieza ki wise.

Tien had two feats with his neo and regular tribeam. He pushed by 2nd form cell, but didn't hurt him by using his life force and he deflected a blast that was shot at Dende by Buu. He never even displayed any physical power to even knock anyone off balance in those arcs unless if you want to count him and Yamcha in filler hitting a cell jr together, and if you do count it you have to admit Krillin at least knocked Cell back in filler by ramming him and was able to dodge the cell jrs attacks until he was blindsided by a different one.

Even in the Buu arc, Krillin goes with the guys and has no hesitation about fighting opponents at Friezas level when Shin mentioned him.. He only gets intimated by Davura who was thought to be Cell/ssj2 tier. There is also this misguided perception that Krillin sat on his butt for 7 years after the Cell games which was never stated. He was the strongest human post Namek and at the games and an argument could be made that he still trained for 3-4 years until 18 got pregnant. In fat you could even argue that he trained and sparred with her which gives him a significant edge over any training Tien does since all he can do is spar with Chioutzu who was the weakest of the z fighters in the saiyan saga even though Yajirobe didn't even bother training hard. Krillin also states he has a chance to to finish well when the saiyans said they wouldn't go super at the tournament after just a month or so of shaking off rust with 18. And once again if you throw in filler Krillin was shown sparring evenly with Goten at the lookout and Yamcha who dominated Olibu in otherworld.

No matter how you slice it Krillin wins. The manga says it. The creator of the story says it. The facts he was the only human relevant throughout Z says it. The fact he had a power up which according to Vegeta "saw his speed and strength grow exponentially" and "kept on constantly growing" says it.

The only thing people can hang to for Tien is his tribeam which did no damage to Cell and hit a Dende level blast away, and that Goku sent Krillin, his best friend, away with Yamacha initially which ignores the fact he also sent away Gohan, his son to tend to Yajirobe to keep them safe from being sucked into a battle just like versus the Saiayns, Ginyu Force, and Frieza.

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The fact that Tenshinhan is the ONLY RELEVANT HUMAN AFTER THE CELL SAGA says enough to me. Only one to manage to avoid being killed by ki blasts, but still powerful enough to deflect Majin Buu's attack.

I'm also pretty confident in saying if your power is VASTLY Greater than someone else's your energy waves just /ignore theirs.


Also. Acknowledged by Super Buu as a MASTER? Get on my level krillin!
Edited by Fulgore, Oct 16 2011, 09:13 AM.
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He deflected an attack meant to kill Dende, not Gohan or anyone else of great power. And just using that logic, Vegeta at SSJ shouldn't hv been able to deflect a blast from Kid Buu meant to blow up earth nor a beat up Piccolo deflecting Gohans reflected masenko versus Frieza. And for all the glory that tribeam gets, he still got knocked out of consciousness with one blow .

Tien didn't even bother showing up to the tourney because he knew he had no shot just like Yamcha, but Krilling did and admittedly thought he could place with the saiyans agreeing not to transform. He also didn't bat an eye about the thought of facing minions who were around Friezas level but was scared off by Dabura who is thought to be ssj2 or mssj Goku level.


Toriyama has said Krillin at the end of z was the strongest human outside Uub who was a reincarnated Kid Buu. Yamcha said that Krillin was the strongest human there was in his own head. And Krillin was the only human to even keep up with the saiyans and nameless Namek throughout all of Z in the manga, series, and movies.
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Speculation? Tenshinhan had NO need for money. Nor did he care about fighting a tournament he KNEW he couldn't win. Tenshinhan isn't a retard.

Yamcha was talking to his DAUGHTER, who he was trying to comfort. Almost next to nothing to support this as a legitimate statement. Accepted. Krillin got roflstomped by Super buu, and buu didn't even give two *****s that he tried.

Also, 7 years of ZERO Training. Krillin stopped fighting completely, Tenshinhan never stopped. Going by the increases that occurred over the start of Z to Namek it's easily acceptable to have Tenshinhan higher.

Also, pretty sure krillin was powerless vs Cell. POWERLESS. Atleast Tenshinhan stalled for sometime, which post-namek Krillin wasn't even capable of doing. Couldn't press a detonation switch? GJ Krillin, you got almost everyone killed.

Also, worth noting you grow WEAKER when you dont train. Cited by Vegeta pointing out Gohan had become weaker of the 7 years. Even after training up to the tournament. Krillin? Lost whatever serious gap he had over Tenshinhan.
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Yamcha never qualified "amongst humans" to his daughter. He said it to himself that Krillin was the strongest human fighter there was. You got to go back and read.

Nowhere in the manga says Krillin didn't train for 7 years. Gohan points out that he grew his hair and stopped training now that he had a family. His daughter was 3 which would leave there being a 3 1/4 year there for him to train and still be stronger than Tien just like he was post Namek where Tien had a heck of a gap between them especially when you account for the fact Krillins percentage gains were higher anyhow between the two way back when they had equal and individual training or the saiyans.

And let's get really technical here and printout the fact is that there is owhere in the manga that says Tien even trained for a days those 7 years post cell games. He was never written as having been training, after turning down ROSAT and outing that he was outclassed. Krillin at least has something showing him training with 18.

And once again Akira has said Krillin was most powerful behind UUB amongst humans.

As for the stalling part, good job by Tien at doing no damage to Cell at all. Krillin stalled with Frieza but actually you know, hurt him by cutting him once before. And as for the detonation switch, what are ou talking about? There was no switch to blow them up. They had a turn off switch that deactivated them and made it possible to destroy their inactive bodies. Krillin didn't kill an innocent being who had done no evil at any time in her life, just like Goku wouldn't, Gohan wouldn't, Vegeta wouldn't, or Piccolo wouldn't because it would be a cop out and break the warriors code similar to how he refused to give a senzu to Goku vs Cell while Yamcha/Tien/Trunks look in disbelief unless if he asked for the battle crutch. 18 and 17 showed him and his friends mercy and he returned the favor; yeah he had feelings for her but he also did the exact same thing he was taught to do by Goku and respect/protect the lives of the innocen?

And as for the last note, Vegeta doesn't specifically say that. He says Gohan has lost his fighting sense and was stronger as a brat when he killed Cell. He pointed out how if Gohan was to get enraged again he might pose a problem, and Goku also in the manga pointed out that Gohan had to use his anger to tap into his true power again like versus Cell before sending him off to stop Buu from being released. Gohan was weaker because he admittedly couldn't find that anger within to tap into that power; Gohan said it himself in the manga, Goku said it, Vegeta opted the fact he could be much stronger just by getting,ad again like when he was a kid, and Shin urges him to do as Goku advises and get angry. It is on you to prove that Tien trained at all in 7 years or that Krillin didn't train before he knocked 18 up as the manga only states that Yamcha and Gohan don't train during those times of peace.
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Oct 16 2011, 09:02 AM
The fact that Tenshinhan is the ONLY RELEVANT HUMAN AFTER THE CELL SAGA says enough to me. Only one to manage to avoid being killed by ki blasts, but still powerful enough to deflect Majin Buu's attack.

I'm also pretty confident in saying if your power is VASTLY Greater than someone else's your energy waves just /ignore theirs.

Also. Acknowledged by Super Buu as a MASTER? Get on my level krillin!
1) Chaozu survived the Human Extinction attack too. Does that make him stronger than Krillin?

2) Tenshinhan deflected a blast meant for Dende (who wouldn't be over Guldo) with the Shin-Kikoho, an attack powerful enough to stall Semi-Complete Cell.

3) Krillin was dead by the time Boo absorbed Piccolo and started speaking complete sentences, much less there when Boo made that statement.
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So. Your arguments.

YAMCHA (Lol.) says krillins the strongest.

and... that's about it.

Shin Kikoho!
It's super effective.
Krillin dies.

Stop poking holes in legitimate feats, and start presenting feats that SHOW ME krillin is legit. You're not doing a good job.

It's Mr. Baseball's opinion(who once again, did jack ***** during the entire last 10 years?) against feats such as surviving a HOMING ATTACK BY MAJIN BUU, Deflecting majin buu's attacks(IIRC gohan was surprised at this), and STOPPING Semi-Perfect Cell long enough for everyone to escape(Who keep in mind makes frieza look like a CHUMP).

All you're showing me is the opinion of yamcha, who really.. doesn't hold a bag of sand.

For being the strongest human he sure did get reduced to a joke later on in his DBZ Career.

Also. Gohan didn't know Tenshinhan was alive. So how did Yamcha know krillin was the strongest? Is Yamcha keeping a little diary on all the Z Fighters? Highly unlikely. Tenshinhan's a recluse who CONSTANTLY trains, and if you're trying to tell me HE DIDNT TRAIN? LOL. That's all he does. So, we know for a fact when Goku was going SSj3 for the first time Tenshinhan was training. We know when Buu tried killing EVERYONE, Tenshinhan was training. We know he went back to training after cell died. Tell me Tenshinhan didn't train. Go ahead.
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Izanagi!

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Nuff' said.
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Oct 16 2011, 12:22 PM
Kienzan

Nuff' said.
If Nappa could dodge it, so could Tenshinhan. Next?
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Shin Kikoho is easy to dodge as well.

Cell just derped and decided to run into it.
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Oct 16 2011, 12:27 PM
Shin Kikoho is easy to dodge as well.

Cell just derped and decided to run into it.
Oh? Well I haven't seen anyone dodge the Shin Kikoho..so.. no it must not be easy to dodge. Or cell would have.
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Actually in the manga it was more like 'Shin Kikoho' *milli second later* bang.
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Oct 16 2011, 09:20 AM
Tien didn't even bother showing up to the tourney because he knew he had no shot just like Yamcha, but Krilling did and admittedly thought he could place with the saiyans agreeing not to transform. He also didn't bat an eye about the thought of facing minions who were around Friezas level but was scared off by Dabura who is thought to be ssj2 or mssj Goku level.


Toriyama has said Krillin at the end of z was the strongest human outside Uub who was a reincarnated Kid Buu. Yamcha said that Krillin was the strongest human there was in his own head. And Krillin was the only human to even keep up with the saiyans and nameless Namek throughout all of Z in the manga, series, and movies.
Lol why would they care out the Budokai? How would they even know Goku and co would turn up? Tenshinhan and Chaozu immersed themselves in deep training after Cell. They wouldn't give a ***** about the Budokai let alone even know it was going on.

AT never said that. You're just making ***** up in an attempt prove your point.
Yamcha didn't see/hear from Tenshinhan in 7 years while Yamcha had kept in contact with Krillin. Also Krillin had 3 years after the Cell games to train so all Yamcha's statement could mean is that Krillin post 3 years of training after Cell>Tenshinhan.
Krillin never kept up with the Saiyans and Piccolo at all. I do't know where you're sprouting this nonsense.
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