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Topic Started: Sep 30 2011, 06:11 PM (1,376 Views)

Kruegs Outlandish

Sep 30 2011, 06:11 PM Post #1

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Who takes, and how?

First Form Frieza vs ...
fighter	condition	note
Piccolo	Kaio's training for 130+ days	Piccolo trained on Kaio's for all of 3 to 5 days and became strong enough to rival the Ginyu Force at least. If Piccolo had stay dead and trained on Kaio's for the 120+ days that Tienshinhan had, would he have been strong enough to fight and beat First Form Frieza?
Tienshinhan	post Kaio's training	Do you believe that Tien would have been stronger than Nail within those first 3 to 5 days of training before Piccolo was wished back? If so, how far would he have gone in those ~5 months of training at Kaio's?
Krillin	wished back	If potential unlock carried Krillin far enough throughout the Namek/Ginyu/Frieza Arc, does Krillin match First Form Frieza by the end of it all?

Be reasonable; if not, then you suck

Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Sep 30 2011, 06:12 PM.

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Sep 30 2011, 06:27 PM Post #2

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Freeza vs Piccolo: I pick Freeza. I have Piccolo a little above Nail. Also the line about Gohan having a "outrageously large ki" implying he's stronger than Piccolo.

Tien: I think Freeza. I can't really say why here, it's all about personal opinion

Krillin: Again, I think Freeza. I have Krillin maxing out with his potential unleash weaker than Tien was post King Kai's training.

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Sep 30 2011, 06:58 PM Post #3

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Sep 30 2011, 06:27 PM
Freeza vs Piccolo: I pick Freeza. I have Piccolo a little above Nail. Also the line about Gohan having a "outrageously large ki" implying he's stronger than Piccolo.

Forgive me; I only wanna make sure you haven't misinterpreted the condition.

This Piccolo is hypothetical. This is not the Piccolo that was wished back on Namek. This is a Piccolo that stayed on Kaio's for as long as Tien did. So, if this Piccolo doesn't beat First Form Frieza, then Tien not beating him would be a little more than a matter of opinion if this Piccolo > Tien by the second 3 wishes.

Frieza vs Piccolo: Piccolo beats First Form Frieza rather easily.
Frieza vs Tien: Tien ~ First Form Frieza ~ Vegeta (at First Form Frieza)
Frieza vs Krillin: First Form Frieza wins in power, but Krillin could easily take this from him.

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Sep 30 2011, 07:07 PM Post #4

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Oh sorry, I was really not paying enough attention >_<

Well assuming Piccolo grew exactly the same as Tien (Going by addition) then I don't think Piccolo would win. If training goes up in multipliers then I thiiink he might win due to the high amount I have Tien multiplying his power by and having him not too far below Freeza.
Actually I think I overestimated the difference between Piccolo and Tien in the Saiyan saga and how much the multiplier would affect it. I'd say Piccolo loses either way.

Edited by Clearin, Sep 30 2011, 07:11 PM.

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Sep 30 2011, 07:34 PM Post #5

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i think kaio's training is a flat 20x multiplier for earth based fighters, no matter how long it takes. mind you, that's kaio's training program itself, not simply training on kaio's planet. both tien and piccolo finished kaio's training before piccolo was wished back, so this is simply them with an extra 260 days of training, combined with the marginal benefit of training at an increased gravity that they are already accustomed to. for simplicity's sake, i will simply say that 260 days of 10g is the same as 1 year of 1g at this point.

so:

piccolo
saiyan saga: 2,500
namek saga: 50,000
post 260 days: 200,000

loses to 1st form frieza.

tien:
saiyan saga: 1,830
namek saga: 36,600
post 260 days: 183,000

loses to 1st form frieza, unless he's already developed the neo-tribeam.

as for krillin, i have him at 375,000 when he died. if he was given 260 days, as well, he would easily crush 1st form frieza, and would likely defeat 2nd form frieza with some trouble, as well.

krillin:
full power on namek: 375,000
post 260 days (on earth): 1,068,493.

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Sep 30 2011, 08:47 PM Post #6

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Everybody loses to Freeza in my opinion. Krillin comes the closest, but he's still not past the 400k mark in my mind, and thus, not enough to tango with Lord Freeza.

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Piccolo: Well I have Yamcha increasing around ~110x after his ~140 days on Kaio's so I say Piccolo should get 125x due to him being the more talented warrior.So;

Piccolo- 2,200 x 125 = 275,000

In short- not enough to rival Freeza.

Tien- I actually think he has the best chance.
After 260 days he should be ~500,000 so IMO he wouldn't be able to beat him but he should be close.

Krillin- He should be around ~300,000 by the time he dies at the least. But still not enough to rival Freeza.

Edited by Cocoman, Sep 30 2011, 09:46 PM.

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idk. at 400,000, a kamehameha would do some serious damage to frieza. and his kienzan might actually be fast enough to hit frieza, if he times it right. I'd say that 400k is close enough that krillin could manage something if he kept his cool, and thought it out.

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But you could say the same for Tien if he uses the Kikoho and Piccolo if he charges up a Makkankosappo.

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the makankosappo is useless in a one on one fight. idk what piccolo was thinking when he developed an attack that would take longer than the lifespan of planet namek to charge.

the kikoho couldn't do it either, imo, although the SHIN kikoho should. so that depends on whether tien developed it by this time period or not.

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Sep 30 2011, 09:45 PM
Piccolo: Well I have Yamcha increasing around ~110x after his ~140 days on Kaio's so I say Piccolo should get 125x due to him being the more talented warrior.So;

Piccolo- 2,200 x 125 = 275,000

In short- not enough to rival Freeza.

Tien- I actually think he has the best chance.
After 260 days he should be ~500,000 so IMO he wouldn't be able to beat him but he should be close.

Krillin- He should be around ~300,000 by the time he dies at the least. But still not enough to rival Freeza.

You think Piccolo is less talented than Tenshinhan?

And to question something about your previous post, since Piccolo increased madly during the training for the androids, wouldn't Tenshinhan also then increase madly?

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No. Where did I say that? They were roughly the same vs Nappa and Vegeta.

I think since Piccolo's potential increased after the merge with Nail he could reach higher levels of power than Tien and Krillin in a much smaller period of time.
I think both Tien and Krillin were either >Base Saiyans or <=Base Saiyans which is what the implications point towards.

@Lunar, the Kienzan is basically useless in a one on one fight as well unless he was fighting an idiot.
I think the Kikoho is stronger than the kamehameha. I just think that his power was reduced in the same way that Gohan's was vs SP Cell.

Edited by Cocoman, Sep 30 2011, 11:05 PM.

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Piccolo Vs. First Form Frieza (Piccolo gets more 130 days to train in King Kai's planet).
Piccolo : 350,000 - 425,000.
Piccolo should take this with mid-high difficult with his skills and techniques.
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Tien Vs. First Form Frieza (Tien gets 5 more months to train with King Kai or spend it training with him self).
Tien : 300,000 - 375,000.
Tien should take this with mid-high difficult with his skills and techniques.
__________
Krillin Vs. First Form Frieza (Krillin after being wished and fight Frieza).
Krillin : 85,000 - 90,000,
Krillin should lose this, unless he use a lot of destructo disks until he hits Frieza with it.

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