Perfect Cell (50% Full Power) v Dabura

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Perfect Cell (50% Full Power) v Dabura

Topic Started: Sep 26 2011, 12:58 AM (3,585 Views)

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Sep 27 2011, 05:21 AM Post #31

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Dabra's power = moot compared to everyone in the saga afterwards, so... eh. I think people get most infuriating when he's compared to Cell, as they either think Cell > All, or Dabra < Z Fighters per Popo's Pecking Order...

I personally like Dabra regardless... but yeah, all things considered and Dabra and Cell equal, Cell is more inclined to take, spit aside.

Perfect Cell	Super Perfect Cell	Dabra
regen	regen	stone spit
artificially tactically inclined	artificially tactically inclined	tactically proficient
(ki independent) borrowed cyber enhancements (i.e. #17's Energy Field)	(ki independent) borrowed cyber enhancements (i.e. #17's Energy Field)	(ki independent) proficiency in magic
zenkai	zenkai	-
survivability	survivability	-
-	instantaneous movement	-

spit vs regen
cell may be a 'better' or 'more skilled' fighter if there is such a thing; Dabra's a power fighter, imo; he 'throws his weight' around
magic pwns cybernetics

after that, Dabra begins to suffer from 'lack of [...]'... but i kinda like that in that, aside from being from the evil dimension and all, he's just another powerful fighter.

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Sep 27 2011, 11:01 AM Post #32

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Sep 27 2011, 03:31 AM
but there is at least 1 other scene with gohan definitely being an ssj2, without sparks. against super perfect cell, he rushed him and punched him, but didn't have sparks. so, even the no sparks argument isn't absolute, since there is at least 1 other confirmed time of ssj2 without sparks.

But it was already clear Gohan was SS2, with the fight with Dabra there isn't a Single Panel with Gohan having Sparks. Unless you can post some scans proving that wrong, but I know you can't.

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Sep 27 2011, 01:18 PM Post #33

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of course not. but, the point is that AT is not 100% consistent, which does leave room for gohan to be ssj2 or mssj.

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Sep 27 2011, 01:31 PM Post #34

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There's multiple theories for the lack of sparks, being MSSj is of course one of them.

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Sep 27 2011, 05:19 PM Post #35

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lunar2
Sep 27 2011, 01:18 PM
of course not. but, the point is that AT is not 100% consistent, which does leave room for gohan to be ssj2 or mssj.

I never said he was 100% consistent, but if he meant for Gohan to be SS2, he would at the very least have one or two panels with Gohan having sparks.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:02 PM Post #36

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that's the same logic as: if he meant gohan to be mssj, he would have made some mention that gohan was holding back.

it's the same thing. there is suggestive evidence for both sides, and no definitive evidence for eiter side.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:35 PM Post #37

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I wouldn't go that far, because when someone is SS2 or SS3 more panels than not they do have Sparks, there might be one or two without any (I am not nor do I ever deny that), more the majority of the panels they are there. The same rules and logic would apply to Gohan vs. Dabra too, there isn't a single panel where Gohan has sparks.

I'm also not saying there isn't supporting Gohan being SS2, I more than acknowledge the evidence that's presented. However, I do find there is more evidence supporting Gohan being MSS. It's not about me wanting to believe it, it's just what I found.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:50 PM Post #38

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Well what about SSJ3 Goku being drawn with a distinct lack of sparks in his aura to display his lack of power in that form? I think it is quite possible that it was the same with Gohan.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:51 PM Post #39

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Someone is in SS2 or they're not, if they're in SS2 they have sparks no matter how weak they are.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:50 PM
Well what about SSJ3 Goku being drawn with a distinct lack of sparks in his aura to display his lack of power in that form? I think it is quite possible that it was the same with Gohan.

I'm not so sure Goku was ever shown in SSj3 without sparks. At least not for more than one panel. I may be wrong however.

With Gohan his lack of sparks suggest SSj. Most of his hair seems like a mixtures (Although that's kinda hard to tell since his hair doesn't change much). But the bang on the front of his face suggests SSj2 due to it being thinner and always past his eye which is something it doesn't do in MSSj. So from an art standpoint it's kinda equal, then like Lunar said, from every other standpoint (Except a logical storyline) it's also equal. I know a few lines that point to it being SSj2 while a few that point to it not being SSj2.

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Sep 27 2011, 07:50 PM
Well what about SSJ3 Goku being drawn with a distinct lack of sparks in his aura to display his lack of power in that form? I think it is quite possible that it was the same with Gohan.

Goku's missing it in a couple panels, then randomly has it for one, then is missing it again for a couple, then has it for two, then is missing it once again right before turning back to Base. Lol. All in the timespan I'm pretty sure you're referring to.

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Sep 27 2011, 08:01 PM Post #42

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Sep 27 2011, 07:55 PM
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Well what about SSJ3 Goku being drawn with a distinct lack of sparks in his aura to display his lack of power in that form? I think it is quite possible that it was the same with Gohan.
I'm not so sure Goku was ever shown in SSj3 without sparks. At least not for more than one panel. I may be wrong however.

With Gohan his lack of sparks suggest SSj. Most of his hair seems like a mixtures (Although that's kinda hard to tell since his hair doesn't change much). But the bang on the front of his face suggests SSj2 due to it being thinner and always past his eye which is something it doesn't do in MSSj. So from an art standpoint it's kinda equal, then like Lunar said, from every other standpoint (Except a logical storyline) it's also equal. I know a few lines that point to it being SSj2 while a few that point to it not being SSj2.

But that's Gohan's one bang. However the rest of his hair suggests MSS not SS2, Gohan's SS2 is stiffer, his hair in the Dbara fight matches his hair more at the Budokai where Gohan went MSS. Heck the frontal shot of Gohan at SS2 at the Budokai and the Dabra fight don't match, but matches more of MSS Gohan with the Zeta sword and when Boo is released and he's MSS there.

I could easily go panel by panel with the Dabra vs. Gohan fight (In which I did, but of course it was brushed aside due to biased opinions) and show that even the back of Gohan's hair matches exactly to his MSS.

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Sep 27 2011, 08:04 PM Post #43

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I actually think Gohan was SSj2 agaisnt Fat Majin Buu lol. It seems that if the bang if past his eye then he's SSj2 while if it's not then he's MSSj. So that would mean I think:
MSSj = Budokai (First time), Z Sword
SSj2: Dabura Fight, Fat Buu fight.

There's still evidence for both though, some lines still point to SSj2 regardless while some don't.

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Sep 27 2011, 08:08 PM Post #44

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But more point to Gohan being MSS than SS2. We could argue about this all day, but there is more physical evidence on one side than the other.

Again with Gohan vs. Fat Boo, his hair once again points to MSS not SS2, his bang is NOT the only factor with his hair. To include his bang, then ALL of his hair should be brought up, not just one thing. His bang is only a little more consistent than sparks.

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Sep 27 2011, 08:11 PM Post #45

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But the thing is I can't see the hair thing. Sometimes it looks like MSSj, sometimes SSj2 sometimes neither. I've actually found more evidence that points to him being SSj2 lol, I guess that's why we both think the way we do :P we've both seen more evidence for a particular side.

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