Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 26 2011, 02:44 PM

Teen GohanZ

Sep 26 2011, 01:59 PM

I'll list for if Gohan was MSSj:
I think Cell was using a bit more than 50% of his power agaisnt Goku, maybe 70-75%
I have Gohan getting just a little under Goku was at the Cell games who was about equal to that Cell and I have Dabura a bit stronger than whatever form Gohan was using. So basically if Gohan was a MSSj then I'd have Dabura about 75% Perfect Cell, give or take.

If you have Cell Games Goku at 70-75% of Cell, you'd have Gohan around 90-95% of Cell, then, wouldn't you? If that's the case, I can see how it'd be pretty easy to have Goku and Vegeta surpassing Cell as mere Super Saiyans.

Teen GohanZ

Sep 26 2011, 02:52 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 26 2011, 02:44 PM

Teen GohanZ

Sep 26 2011, 01:59 PM

I'll list for if Gohan was MSSj:
I think Cell was using a bit more than 50% of his power agaisnt Goku, maybe 70-75%
I have Gohan getting just a little under Goku was at the Cell games who was about equal to that Cell and I have Dabura a bit stronger than whatever form Gohan was using. So basically if Gohan was a MSSj then I'd have Dabura about 75% Perfect Cell, give or take.

If you have Cell Games Goku at 70-75% of Cell, you'd have Gohan around 90-95% of Cell, then, wouldn't you? If that's the case, I can see how it'd be pretty easy to have Goku and Vegeta surpassing Cell as mere Super Saiyans.

To avoid any arguments I'm just going to say this: I only have SSj Goku stronger than Cell in the Buu saga before all Majin stuff comes into the story.

lunar2

Sep 26 2011, 01:41 PM

actually, saberoph, that was the first time goku ever compared anyone to someone with multiple levels of power that he hadn't fought the full powered level, so no, there is no "dbz logic" to go by on that. and, as has been pointed out numerous times, while the artwork is not completely consistent with ssj2, it's not completely consistent with mssj either. the only solid fact about that fight is that there are no solid facts. there are artwork discrepancies in favor of both interpretations, there are logic chains in favor of both interpretations, there are story elements in favor of both interpretations. gohan's form against dabura is completely a matter of personal opinion. that's why in dabura topics, i list answers for both.

@topic. i have suppressed perfect cell using only 1/3 of his power, so 50% cell would kick butt against dabura (mssj gohan) .

Saberoph

Sep 26 2011, 03:27 PM

lunar2

Sep 26 2011, 01:41 PM

actually, saberoph, that was the first time goku ever compared anyone to someone with multiple levels of power that he hadn't fought the full powered level, so no, there is no "dbz logic" to go by on that. and, as has been pointed out numerous times, while the artwork is not completely consistent with ssj2, it's not completely consistent with mssj either. the only solid fact about that fight is that there are no solid facts. there are artwork discrepancies in favor of both interpretations, there are logic chains in favor of both interpretations, there are story elements in favor of both interpretations. gohan's form against dabura is completely a matter of personal opinion. that's why in dabura topics, i list answers for both.

@topic. i have suppressed perfect cell using only 1/3 of his power, so 50% cell would kick butt against dabura (mssj gohan) .

Actually there is such thing as DBZ logic, and I said that because when Goku compares one fighter to another, it's from a fighter he fought himself. I should have been more specific and said Goku logic, because that is used with Goku. As for the artwork, Gohan's hairstyle is more consistent with MSS than SS2, especially with a frontal shot, and that hair is more consistent with future MSS artwork too.