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ssj4 gogeta vs everyone in the dragonball universe
Topic Started: Sep 22 2011, 09:46 PM (3,575 Views)
+ Clearin Sep 25 2011, 07:06 PM Post #31
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Sep 25 2011, 07:03 PM
Wait a sec how does this versus even happen? I mean it's A LOT of people, if Goku and Vegeta are at the back then they can easily fuse with either the dance or the Ear-rings.

There's also Devil Man's Devil-mite beam which should work on Gogeta due to Vegeta.
The Devilmite beam would be way too slow to hit Gogeta.
Just think about how many people are attacking Gogeta at once. There's no way he can keep an eye on all of them.
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Destiny Sep 25 2011, 07:18 PM Post #32
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would people quit with the damn planet busting?

1. it's against vs. rules.

2. gogeta could just form a barrier with oxygen in it, and fly to the nearest planet.

or, hey. gogeta could bust the planet and everyone on it in a single attack, ending this whole freaking debate. gogeta won't allow goku and vegeta to fuse under any circumstances, and he has more than enough power to stop them. there are no other options for the other team to win, so gogeta wins, 100 out of 100.


Really now? When has anyone in DBZ shown the ability to such a feat? Also Gogeta wouldn't survive a planet bust seeing.....he's in the planet.

Gogeta either goes straight towards Goku or Vegeta more perferablly Vegeta and wins or they get away come back as Vegito and end this debate.
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Naruto-Gogeta Sep 25 2011, 07:35 PM Post #33
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Wait a sec how does this versus even happen? I mean it's A LOT of people, if Goku and Vegeta are at the back then they can easily fuse with either the dance or the Ear-rings.

There's also Devil Man's Devil-mite beam which should work on Gogeta due to Vegeta.
The Devilmite beam would be way too slow to hit Gogeta.
Just think about how many people are attacking Gogeta at once. There's no way he can keep an eye on all of them.
Gogeta would just blow through all of them. The Devilmite beam is so slow that even Kid Goku could easily jump out of the way.
It would only take a millionth of a second to avoid that. No, take a second and split into a hundred pieces.

Now take on of them pieces, split it into a thousand pieces.

Take that piece and split it into a million pieces.
One of them pieces of time would be enough for somebody as fast as SSJ4 Gogeta to dodge. Even with all of them attacking, the moment he sees it he would be gone.
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lunar2 Sep 25 2011, 07:48 PM Post #34
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 let's put it this way. ssj gotenks, pre rosat, circled the earth 5 times and took a nap in 28 minutes or less. base goku gt ~ ssj gotenks, pre rosat. by my numbers base gogeta >> ssj4 goku.

so, ssj4 gogeta >>> base gogeta >> ssj4 goku >>> base goku ~ ssj gotenks = 5 trips around the planet in under 28 minutes. it doesn't matter where goku and vegeta are, gogeta could get to them before goku could even put his fingers to his forehead.

scratch that. gogeta doesn't even need to move. he could simply throw a blast through the planet and hit them on the other side before goku could even think the word fusion.

even taking into account that speed does not increase at the same rate as power, it is simply ridiculous to think that goku could do ANYTHING before gogeta got to him or vegeta.
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Saberoph Sep 26 2011, 01:00 AM Post #35
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would people quit with the damn planet busting?

1. it's against vs. rules.

2. gogeta could just form a barrier with oxygen in it, and fly to the nearest planet.

or, hey. gogeta could bust the planet and everyone on it in a single attack, ending this whole freaking debate. gogeta won't allow goku and vegeta to fuse under any circumstances, and he has more than enough power to stop them. there are no other options for the other team to win, so gogeta wins, 100 out of 100.
No, that's just how YOU wanna see it. You wanna see it as Gogeta pulls out a win every time, when in GT reality (Since we have GT Goku and Vegeta GT rules apply) Chibi Goku proved he CAN IT, so it is possible Goku can grab Vegeta and IT to the Kaioshin Planet and get the Potara. And given this is GT Vegeta he was WILLING to fuse with Goku because There Was NO Other CHOICE, so going by GT Vegeta he would be willing to use Potara because this Gogeta has unlimited time.

Now if this was an out of 100 battle, some of the times Gogeta would kill either GT Goku or Vegeta, but not every time. Also if one was killed in theory Gohan could take the place of one of them imo. Even by how I had my GT numbers (Yes, I realize the Perfect Files say Gohan continued to Train, but I will believe and follow it when I read the Perfect Files myself), I still have GT Gohan more than strong enough to fuse with either Goku or Vegeta...but that's just me, it doesn't mean he could.
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lunar2 Sep 26 2011, 01:16 AM Post #36
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 yes, vegeta would be willing to fuse, but he wouldn't be willing to potara fuse with another option available. as long as there is another option, vegeta won't potara. also, gohan may be powerful, but in gt he's NOTHING compared to goku and vegeta. also, without the rival boost, a gohan fusion would be worthless against gogeta.

no, a gt vegito is the only way to win, and unless vegeta knows that gogeta2 has an unlimited fusion time, he won't potara, because there is another option with the dance.
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Saberoph Sep 26 2011, 01:26 AM Post #37
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 But that's the problem, Gogeta would know of the dance, since he came from it. So since he does, the dance would be useless because it would be Omega with Goku and Vegeta attempting to fuse a second time all over again. He would know they couldn't do it.

That's what I'm saying, Potara is the winning ticked yes, but with they're enemy being born from the Dance, he would prevent it from happening.
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lunar2 Sep 26 2011, 01:31 AM Post #38
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 well, both potara and dance would involve goku ITing them away from the battle field. either way, goku has to get vegeta, go to a safe place, and then they fuse. so if gogeta can stop the dance, he can stop the potara just as well. that won't be a consideration when vegeta decides which fusion form to use. so, vegeta will pick the dance, unless he knows about gogeta's unlimited fusion. that's the only way vegeta will pick the potara.
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Saberoph Sep 26 2011, 01:36 AM Post #39
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 Unless if the same thing happened in the Shadow Dragon arc, and Goku drops out of SS4, then he would need to use the energy he has left to IT. That or he talks to East Kibitoshin telepathicly and has him drop off the Potara while trying to Fuse.

That is highly unlikely, but I still say they could Potara where Fusion is useless.
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Mihawk Sep 26 2011, 01:38 AM Post #40
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 actually the potara don't take nearly as much time as the dance - they take only a second. the only reason that gohan didn't catch them was because of plot no jutsu.

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lunar2 Sep 26 2011, 03:07 AM Post #41
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 but either way, they have go get the potara, or go somewhere safe to fuse. if they stay on the battle field, they will die before they can fuse. gogeta is just that fast.

by my numbers

ssj gotenks, pre rosat: 1. capable of circling the earth 5 times in 3 minutes or less. he was outside the atmosphere of the earth for the entire visible portion of the 5 circles.

gt base goku: ~1. gt goku is > ssj3 buu arc goku by a moderate amount. so is pre rosat ssj gotenks.

ssj4 goku: 500 (oozaru x10, ssj x50)

surpassed limits ssj4 goku: ~800 (ssj4 goku got stomped by syn shenron, and in turn stomped him back after surpassed limits. 30% rule indicates a 69% increase for goku, but i just gave him 60%)

base gogeta: 1,536 (goku 1 + vegeta 1 x 32 fusion dance x 24 rival). whoops, i overestimated gogeta quite a bit. in base, he'd be about even with omega shenron, give or take.

ssj4 gogeta: 768,000.

so, ssj4 gogeta is 768,000x as powerful as ssj pre rosat gotenks, who can circle the earth in under a minute. if he's 768,000x as powerful, he should be at least 60x as fast, meaning he can circle the earth in under a second. there is no way goku can pull an IT before gogeta gets to him and kills him.
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Saberoph Sep 26 2011, 07:36 AM Post #42
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 All I gotta say is...nothing the Tayoken can't take care of. Speed problem solved, Goku can now either do the Dance with Vegeta, or if they know of the unlimited Fusion time then they can go get the Potara.
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Kruegs Outlandish Sep 26 2011, 11:48 AM Post #43
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If this is vs everyone in the Universe, isn't Vegito included by default? Why would Goku and Vegeta have to fusion to become Vegito when he'd already be in the fight (Z Vegito anyways)...

Janemba, Hildegarn, SSJ3 Z Vegito, Majuub, Oozaru Super Bebi Vegeta, Super 17, Omega Shenron, and Ultra Power Tien allow Super Buu (Gohan, etc) to assimilate them, just to by time so that GT Goku and Vegeta can A) Dance, B) Potara.

Dabra is sent from Heaven to spit on him :S .

Krillin's Kienzan ends anything.

Android 16 grabs him from behind and attempts to explode while Piccolo fires off the Specialest Beam Cannon Ever, and Cell and SSJ2 Gohan use the Solar Kamehameha.

Saibaman kamikazepyros and kills Gogeta and Yamcha

Nappa uses Rock Smash; super effective!

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Saberoph Sep 26 2011, 01:03 PM Post #44
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 That's right. Thanks for pointing that out. So Gogeta's main focus would be on Vegetto the whole time. So Goku and Vegeta do the dance, so Z Vegetto and Gogeta team up against him and crushes him,
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lunar2 Sep 26 2011, 01:48 PM Post #45
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All I gotta say is...nothing the Tayoken can't take care of. Speed problem solved, Goku can now either do the Dance with Vegeta, or if they know of the unlimited Fusion time then they can go get the Potara.
ssj4 goku proved over the course of 2 episodes that fighting blind is no disadvantage to him.

taiyoken is useless against gogeta.

@ bizness. yes, z vegito is there. but he's nowhere near powerful enough to touch base gogeta, even as an ssj3. if buu absorbed every single character in the DB universe, besides gogeta, he MIGHT make it up to ssj2 gogeta, but no higher than that. and that's with my small multipliers. with the SEG multipliers, buu's just screwed against anything over base.
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