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ssj4 gogeta vs everyone in the dragonball universe
Topic Started: Sep 22 2011, 09:46 PM (3,576 Views)
lunar2 Sep 25 2011, 05:49 AM Post #16
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 gt goku can't IT unless he's ssj4. goku has to transform, and then IT or fly to vegeta, and then IT to old kai or kibitokai, and get some earrings. then he has to convince vegeta to potara fuse, which is highly unlikely. vegeta would probably want to try the dance first, since they don't know that this gogeta is permanent, and vegeta won't want to be stuck as vegito. so, assuming that goku can transform, locate vegeta, get to him, transport them both to the kaioshin realm before gogeta kills either of them, vegeta will still most likely want to fuse with the dance, so they only match gogeta in power. but, because they only have 10 minutes, while gogeta has a lifetime, they're still screwed. once they defuse, gogeta kills one or both before they can try potara.
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Destiny Sep 25 2011, 06:02 AM Post #17
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I think you are not portraying Vegeta a lot dumber than he looks. He knows how strong Gogeta is. He knows he's attacking them and those two things were the same reasons why he fused with Goku to go Vegito last time. I can't see him not doing it again. The only problem here is if they can get to Kai planet in time.
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lunar2 Sep 25 2011, 04:01 PM Post #18
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 no, i honestly think, if gogeta were to appear, vegeta would prefer to form gogeta instead of vegito. vegito is irreversible, gogeta lasts 5-30 minutes, depending on the form. vegeta doesn't know that gogeta2 (the one they're fighting) will last forever, so he'll want to do the temporary fusion and just wait out gogeta2, who, as far as he knows, will defuse first. i'm not making vegeta stupid at all. that would be the best decision based on the knowledge he has.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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+ Havoc_Wreaker Sep 25 2011, 04:08 PM Post #19
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 cant someone self destruct and destroy the planet and everyone will die that cant survive that cant breath in space
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Naruto-Gogeta Sep 25 2011, 04:10 PM Post #20
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lunar2
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the rules are gogeta can't IT. but goku has to transform to ssj4 before he can IT, so gogeta will kill him anyway.


How fast do you think Gogeta is? All Goku would have to in that situation is touch Vegeta and think Kai Planet and boom he's gone. I'd say that's less than 3 seconds. Depending on whether or not Gogeta is near or he knows that they are doing this than he doesn't get to them in time.
If SSJ4 Gogeta was absolutely serious in this, it would take less than 3 seconds to defeat both Goku and Vegeta.
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Destiny Sep 25 2011, 04:13 PM Post #21
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lunar2
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no, i honestly think, if gogeta were to appear, vegeta would prefer to form gogeta instead of vegito. vegito is irreversible, gogeta lasts 5-30 minutes, depending on the form. vegeta doesn't know that gogeta2 (the one they're fighting) will last forever, so he'll want to do the temporary fusion and just wait out gogeta2, who, as far as he knows, will defuse first. i'm not making vegeta stupid at all. that would be the best decision based on the knowledge he has.


I suppose so....but taking into light that both Gogeta's well be equals don't you think Goku would go Pottara? If so he can than tell him that is the better option. What's getting stuck together forever when the entire universe is in danger?

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That could happen though every single entity would have to do that and that would be pointless. Considering we need the universe to survive and not die out.
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Saberoph Sep 25 2011, 04:40 PM Post #22
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gt goku can't IT unless he's ssj4. goku has to transform, and then IT or fly to vegeta, and then IT to old kai or kibitokai, and get some earrings. then he has to convince vegeta to potara fuse, which is highly unlikely. vegeta would probably want to try the dance first, since they don't know that this gogeta is permanent, and vegeta won't want to be stuck as vegito. so, assuming that goku can transform, locate vegeta, get to him, transport them both to the kaioshin realm before gogeta kills either of them, vegeta will still most likely want to fuse with the dance, so they only match gogeta in power. but, because they only have 10 minutes, while gogeta has a lifetime, they're still screwed. once they defuse, gogeta kills one or both before they can try potara.
Need I remind you when Goku was almost out of energy, as a CHILD he did IT him and a little boy away from earth. Given yes The Namek did give him some energy, but a Fully energized Base Goku could if he could After achieving SS4.

So, it can still happen. Child Goku could IT him and Vegeta to the Kaioshin Planet, and if this is GT Vegeta then he's willing to fuse with Goku, because this Vegeta is willing to work with Goku and fight along side him as his friend. And this Vegeta would KNOW they wouldn't have any other choice.
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lunar2 Sep 25 2011, 05:02 PM Post #23
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 but vegeta won't potara fuse when the dance is a viable option. you have to have vegeta completely out of character to have him give up himself permanently just to beat an opponent that can be beaten another way. vegeta would only use the potara if there was no other way to win, and as far as he knows, there IS another way to win.
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Destiny Sep 25 2011, 05:25 PM Post #24
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but vegeta won't potara fuse when the dance is a viable option. you have to have vegeta completely out of character to have him give up himself permanently just to beat an opponent that can be beaten another way. vegeta would only use the potara if there was no other way to win, and as far as he knows, there IS another way to win.


But you have Vegeta out of character as well. Why would Vegeta fuse to be Gogeta and just wait until the other Gogeta unfuses? Since when does Vegeta delay a fight especially considering he's EGO.
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Saberoph Sep 25 2011, 05:33 PM Post #25
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Sep 25 2011, 05:02 PM
but vegeta won't potara fuse when the dance is a viable option. you have to have vegeta completely out of character to have him give up himself permanently just to beat an opponent that can be beaten another way. vegeta would only use the potara if there was no other way to win, and as far as he knows, there IS another way to win.
It's out of Vegeta's GT character for him NOT to consider all the options, he would know that the dance wouldn't happen. I mean look at Omega when he KNEW fusion would get him killed, he didn't let it happen. The same goes for Gogeta here, he knows of Fusion so he wouldn't let Goku and Vegeta do the dance.

So, in GT reality Potara is the BEST option here.
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Mihawk Sep 25 2011, 06:34 PM Post #26
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 But if we are really considering best options here, we have trunks one shot the planet while goku ITs to the namekian planet to wish them back. And of course people like freiza and cell etc would survive anyway.

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DanielSan Sep 25 2011, 06:39 PM Post #27
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 SSJ4 Gogeta would destroy everyone in the series without even taking a break. He would one shot everyone that is weaker than Omega.
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lunar2 Sep 25 2011, 06:57 PM Post #28
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 would people quit with the damn planet busting?

1. it's against vs. rules.

2. gogeta could just form a barrier with oxygen in it, and fly to the nearest planet.

or, hey. gogeta could bust the planet and everyone on it in a single attack, ending this whole freaking debate. gogeta won't allow goku and vegeta to fuse under any circumstances, and he has more than enough power to stop them. there are no other options for the other team to win, so gogeta wins, 100 out of 100.
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+ Clearin Sep 25 2011, 07:03 PM Post #29
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 Wait a sec how does this versus even happen? I mean it's A LOT of people, if Goku and Vegeta are at the back then they can easily fuse with either the dance or the Ear-rings.

There's also Devil Man's Devil-mite beam which should work on Gogeta due to Vegeta.
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Naruto-Gogeta Sep 25 2011, 07:04 PM Post #30
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Wait a sec how does this versus even happen? I mean it's A LOT of people, if Goku and Vegeta are at the back then they can easily fuse with either the dance or the Ear-rings.

There's also Devil Man's Devil-mite beam which should work on Gogeta due to Vegeta.
The Devilmite beam would be way too slow to hit Gogeta.
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