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The Buu Saga
Topic Started: Sep 22 2011, 06:27 PM (4,156 Views)
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Sep 23 2011, 05:38 AM
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not really. the buu arc still has an ensemble cast, like dragonball, unlike gt, which focused on 2 main characters (goku and pan) with 2 more major supporting characters (trunks and vegeta), and everyone else is nearly annoyed.

in the buu arc:

1. goten, kid trunks, and kaioshin are introduced as major characters.

2. piccolo and mr. satan are significant supporting characters.

3. goku, vegeta, gotenks, vegeto, and gohan all get a shot at the main villain.

4. even minor characters like dende and tien are shown to still be useful in the right situation.


Sometimes I think Airka just put Tien in that situation just for the fans or lolz sake. Cause most people that watched it felt like he appeared from no where and should have been dead by Super Buu's killer rays.

It was stated that not everybody was killed, so by that I assume the more skilled people like Tenshinhan and Nam (if he wasn't too old) and such probably survived. I think Toriyama was right to give Tenshinhan some spotlight, at least. Krillin was there throughout most of the saga (hell, he was there the entire time in the anime), and the same goes for Yamcha. Out of all the cast, Tenshinhan got shafted the worst besides perhaps Piccolo. I mean, dude got maybe six panels before he was taken out completely.


I think I remember in the anime him dodging or noticing the pink beams. Not sure though. Of course he was shafted he's power is around that those of Krillen(though I don't think he's equal to him.) and he doesn't serve as a comedic purpose like Yamacha and Krillen do. He also couldn't be a teacher as anything he offered is either already known or useless. So he was given a scene in which he uses he's most known attack to do unselfish deed and to say "In case anyone forgot I still exist" Giving Tein anymore spotlight would have confused things a lot more either powerwise which I am reasoning he would be used for or awkwardness such as him being a comedic character.
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Sep 22 2011, 06:32 PM
I dont think so. One reason is because Gohan was at full potential in the Buu saga and couldnt do ssj. Which he did plent of times in GT. And the buu saga doesnt have that awful GT feel to it. It belongs in Z :D
It's not that he couldn't, it's that he didn't need to or something along those lines. It's easily possible that over the 10 year time skip to the end of Z, and the further timeskip to GT, the power up wore off since he stopped training.
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gohan was still drawn as ultimate at the end of z.

in gt, he regained ssj because he KEPT training, not because he stopped. gt gohan > ultimate gohan. that's because gt follows the anime, where ssj3 goku is stronger than everyone, possibly barring vegeto.
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gohan was still drawn as ultimate at the end of z.

in gt, he regained ssj because he KEPT training, not because he stopped. gt gohan > ultimate gohan. that's because gt follows the anime, where ssj3 goku is stronger than everyone, possibly barring vegeto.


I'm sure he was stronger than Vegito as well considering Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhaan in the anime. Either that or Vegito's gap between everyone just got bigger.
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vegito's gap DID get bigger. in the manga, vegeto transformed immediately after fusing. in the anime, he stomped on buuhan, and then transformed.
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Sep 23 2011, 02:37 PM
gohan was still drawn as ultimate at the end of z.

in gt, he regained ssj because he KEPT training, not because he stopped. gt gohan > ultimate gohan. that's because gt follows the anime, where ssj3 goku is stronger than everyone, possibly barring vegeto.
Where is it where he's drawn as Ultimate? He was simply drawn older.

Although I like your theory better.
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Sep 23 2011, 02:37 PM
gohan was still drawn as ultimate at the end of z.

in gt, he regained ssj because he KEPT training, not because he stopped. gt gohan > ultimate gohan. that's because gt follows the anime, where ssj3 goku is stronger than everyone, possibly barring vegeto.
Where is it where he's drawn as Ultimate? He was simply drawn older.

Although I like your theory better.


Akira didn't state otherwise though. GT kept him as Ulitmate as well SSJ it's just that he's Ultimate form was trash in comparence to everyone else in GT.
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the gt perfect files state that gohan kept training after buu, and rediscovered ssj.

also, i just looked at the manga, and apparently i was wrong. gohan is drawn as ultimate in the anime, but there aren't any good pictures of him at the end of the manga to tell from. still, I think he kept the potential release. it would be kind of stupid not to.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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His eyelines are the same after he's freed from Boo, so that's good enough for me.
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People like Nam etc wouldn't have had a chance vs the death beams. Tien and Chaotzu still had a degree of difficulty avoiding them. Also, was 17 killed by the death rays? If he was Tien and Chaotzu>17 lmao.
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People like Nam etc wouldn't have had a chance vs the death beams. Tien and Chaotzu still had a degree of difficulty avoiding them. Also, was 17 killed by the death rays? If he was Tien and Chaotzu>17 lmao.
No idea, but he doesn't have ki, so it's possible Boo missed him.
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Badabing!

Good point. However do you think he might still have the same amount of Ki as a normal human? Because if so it is possible he was sensed by Buu.

I do think Tien got a mega hax for the Buu saga but Chaotzu?

me=mindblown.
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Sep 23 2011, 07:15 PM
Good point. However do you think he might still have the same amount of Ki as a normal human? Because if so it is possible he was sensed by Buu.

I do think Tien got a mega hax for the Buu saga but Chaotzu?

me=mindblown.
If none of the Z-Fighters could sense the cyborgs those couple days they were still a threat/refugees, I don't see how Super Boo could.
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Sep 23 2011, 07:23 PM
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Sep 23 2011, 07:15 PM
Good point. However do you think he might still have the same amount of Ki as a normal human? Because if so it is possible he was sensed by Buu.

I do think Tien got a mega hax for the Buu saga but Chaotzu?

me=mindblown.
If none of the Z-Fighters could sense the cyborgs those couple days they were still a threat/refugees, I don't see how Super Boo could.
Well Super Buu easily sensed a massive number of normal humans so I wouldn't say it was an impossibility. 17 could have just had a normal human's energy so Goku wouldn't have been able to tell who/where he was.
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Sep 22 2011, 09:58 PM
Nope, the Buu arc did not deserve Z. Buu arc was unstructured and unfairly focused on just the super powerful people. The whole thing was of little depth and turned a lot of AMAZING characters into flat out annoying people (ex: Gohan, Kid Trunks, Bulma and 18), so pretty much GT.

But one difference it has with GT is that, when the Buu arc put in comedy, it actually worked.
Dude, DBZ has some of the best fights in Buu Saga. Honestly, there are many plus points with many interesting plot twists as well as awesome fights. Ex: Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu, Mystic Gohan vs Buutenks, Super Vegito vs Buuhan, SSJ3 Goku & SSJ2 Vegeta & Fat Buu vs Kid Buu. Finally, one great finale with Chou Genki Dama..epic. Buu's various stages were interesting, if not, the fights are rock bottom brutal..like the way how Buuhan torment Gohan, Kid Buu with fat Buu and Vegeta etc..On top of all, u dont know when the hell it will end like in Friza Saga...u are dead sure Goku will never give up until Frieza's dead, or like Gohan vs Cell, u know once Gohan goes SSJ2..Cell's gonna have it... Buu just got some sort of feel like...just when u think it's settled, another problem arises...So, overall Buu Saga is good, which shouldn't be even compared to Gt..

Well, if u think some characters lose their importance in DBZ Buu Saga, trust me, U'll be crying for even a glimpse of them in GT...everyone barely...barely got their screen time, even the great Vegeta only at the tail end..just as plot device to form Gogeta..So, think...consider about the rest...As u stated, u can entirely forget about Gohan, Krillin, Bulma or even 18 in Gt..that was...sorry..but bad...
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