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Goku, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiautzo and Master Roshi Vs. Raditz.
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Topic Started: Sep 22 2011, 03:09 PM (4,718 Views)
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Sep 23 2011, 03:05 PM
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Tien's power is 250. Not much of a difference but I still thought I'd point it out.
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Sep 23 2011, 03:08 PM
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and, of course there's no hope that he's hiding any significant amount of power, since it was kami who taught suppression. at that point, only piccolo and goku could suppress.
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Sep 23 2011, 03:14 PM
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... In case you are: I'm not sure Piccolo or Goku could suppress considering they were at full power (Not counting weighted clothing) despite one of them just going to meet his friends and the other one doing nothing but standing on top of a rock. But even if Tien could suppress and he was at that exact moment why do you say his power is 257? It's a completely random number.
If you're not: I can't remember if Kami did imply to teach suppression since it first seemed to happen after everyone was done training for the Saiyans, although I wasn't really talking about that lol, just pointing out what Tien's power was on the scouter.
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Sep 23 2011, 04:01 PM
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tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is.......
Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta.
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Sep 23 2011, 06:02 PM
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- Sep 23 2011, 04:01 PM
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tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is....... Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta.
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... In case you are: I'm not sure Piccolo or Goku could suppress considering they were at full power (Not counting weighted clothing) despite one of them just going to meet his friends and the other one doing nothing but standing on top of a rock. But even if Tien could suppress and he was at that exact moment why do you say his power is 257? It's a completely random number.
If you're not: I can't remember if Kami did imply to teach suppression since it first seemed to happen after everyone was done training for the Saiyans, although I wasn't really talking about that lol, just pointing out what Tien's power was on the scouter.
the 257 was a mistake. krillin is 207, and tien is 250, and the 2 numbers got overlapped in my head.
actually, the first instance of suppression was at the 23rd budokai. when goku was about to fight king chappa, tien remarked that he couldn't sense anything from goku. later, piccolo remarks that goku is using the techniques of his family, or something of that nature, implying that piccolo could also suppress.
as for why they weren't suppressed at the beginning of z, they had no need to. fighters suppress in combat situations so that their enemy will underestimate them, but neither goku nor piccolo were in a combat situation.
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tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is....... Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta.
raditz would go for the strongest first, since they would be the ones that pose the mst threat in an ordinary situation.
so, raditz would go:
goku, piccolo, tien, krillin, yamcha, roshi, chiaotzu.
tien and krillin are 3rd and 4th on the list, and either of them can do the solar flare, as can goku. there's 3 people that can do it, so raditz is screwed.
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list of canon sources:
the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.
list of non canon sources:
everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.
for those that blindly follow word of god
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Sep 23 2011, 06:08 PM
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- Sep 23 2011, 06:02 PM
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- http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8365553&t=8317898
tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is....... Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta.
- Teen GohanZ
- http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8365908&t=8317898
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... In case you are: I'm not sure Piccolo or Goku could suppress considering they were at full power (Not counting weighted clothing) despite one of them just going to meet his friends and the other one doing nothing but standing on top of a rock. But even if Tien could suppress and he was at that exact moment why do you say his power is 257? It's a completely random number.
If you're not: I can't remember if Kami did imply to teach suppression since it first seemed to happen after everyone was done training for the Saiyans, although I wasn't really talking about that lol, just pointing out what Tien's power was on the scouter.
the 257 was a mistake. krillin is 207, and tien is 250, and the 2 numbers got overlapped in my head. actually, the first instance of suppression was at the 23rd budokai. when goku was about to fight king chappa, tien remarked that he couldn't sense anything from goku. later, piccolo remarks that goku is using the techniques of his family, or something of that nature, implying that piccolo could also suppress. as for why they weren't suppressed at the beginning of z, they had no need to. fighters suppress in combat situations so that their enemy will underestimate them, but neither goku nor piccolo were in a combat situation. - Sasuke
- http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8365918&t=8317898
- lunar2
- http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8365553&t=8317898
tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is....... Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta.
raditz would go for the strongest first, since they would be the ones that pose the mst threat in an ordinary situation. so, raditz would go: goku, piccolo, tien, krillin, yamcha, roshi, chiaotzu. tien and krillin are 3rd and 4th on the list, and either of them can do the solar flare, as can goku. there's 3 people that can do it, so raditz is screwed. I suppose that can happen. But as a fighting tactic I'd leave the strongest for later and quickly kill the weak ones first.
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Sep 23 2011, 06:26 PM
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but that would give the strongest time to charge dangerous attacks. in the time it would take him to kill roshi, chiaotzu, and yamcha, tien could have already blasted him with a tribeam, krillin could have hit him with a kienzan, and goku would have had a kamehameha halfway charged up. a smart fighter would take out the most dangerous opponents first, and then pick off the weaker ones at will. besides, no matter who he tries to kill first, there are 7 of them and only 1 of him. he's got to turn his back on somebody eventually.
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list of canon sources:
the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.
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Sep 24 2011, 04:39 AM
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tien taiyoken + roshi tail grab (he's the only one with sunglasses, so he's the only one that can see.) from there, anyone can take out raditz. raditz is one of the few exceptions to the "1 strong fighter > many weaker fighters" rule. too many people have the knowledge and techniques to take him down, he just can't win against more than 2 of the z fighters at once.
That could happen it could. But what else could happen is....... Raditz immenditly goes straight for Roshi and crushes he's skull killing him. Quickly he goes to Krillen and Yamach and kills. Choke holds Tein to death and then promently finishs off Goku before Piccolo thinks about Special Beam Cannon. Piccolo then gets he's ***** handed to him and Raditz prepares earth for Nappa and Vegeta. What about Chaozu? Does Raditz breathe on him and he died of EPIC BREATH!!!!
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