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Krillin (Post Ginyu) v Vegeta (Post Earth)
Topic Started: Sep 19 2011, 01:29 AM (1,080 Views)
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Who wins?
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Krillin. I have him at least 50,000 by the end of the Ginyu mess.
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Which Vegeta is this? Post Earth? If it's the Vegeta that returned to Earth after the Namek Saga then I'd say he would win and fairly easy might I add.
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Krillin would lose. But, not an easy fight. I would put Namek (end) Krillin at 20,000 to 23,000, which would be kind of close to Vegeta. Not to mention that he feared regular Zarbon during Vegeta vs. Zarbon (2nd round)

Only if you mean Vegeta when he first arrived on Namek
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Sep 19 2011, 03:14 AM
Krillin would lose. But, not an easy fight. I would put Namek (end) Krillin at 20,000 to 23,000, which would be kind of close to Vegeta. Not to mention that he feared regular Zarbon during Vegeta vs. Zarbon (2nd round)

Only if you mean Vegeta when he first arrived on Namek
Krillin was at least from 150.000 to 200.000 at the end of the Namek-Frieza sagas, since his potencial release from Guru was latent, he grew a lot his power level.
If he could severy injure Vegeta that means something.
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I would put him at(any where below 24,000) 20,000+ (from 1,500+ to 20,000+ wow...krillin had some serious power hidden in him :lol: )

So Vegeta would win...
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ginyu was stated to be 23,000 in goku's body. krillin kicked his *****. vegeta was 24,000 when he arrived on namek. krillin would kick his *****, too. he might need to kick a few more times, though.
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Sep 19 2011, 03:24 AM
songohanfrancais
Sep 19 2011, 03:14 AM
Krillin would lose. But, not an easy fight. I would put Namek (end) Krillin at 20,000 to 23,000, which would be kind of close to Vegeta. Not to mention that he feared regular Zarbon during Vegeta vs. Zarbon (2nd round)

Only if you mean Vegeta when he first arrived on Namek
Krillin was at least from 150.000 to 200.000 at the end of the Namek-Frieza sagas, since his potencial release from Guru was latent, he grew a lot his power level.
If he could severy injure Vegeta that means something.
That's not really possible. He was still no match for Vegeta pre-Ginyu (about 40,000) and Vegeta himself stated that Krillin was weaker than Zarbon, but nonetheless had impressive power. Krillin could not have gotten that much stronger on Namek after his potential release, especially with no Zenkais.

Oh and lunar2, he was actually on par with Ginyu or a little weaker. The only time Krillin got Ginyu good was when Ginyu wasn't paying much attention. You'll notice that when Vegeta got involved after he killed Jeice, Gohan and Krillin had a little difficulty beating him
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vegeta stated that krillin and gohan's power was still steadily rising when the fight with frieza began. so, pre ginyu fight, both krillin and gohan are >10,000 (jeice's scouter) post ginyu force, they are >23,000 (ginyu was 23,000 and each of them were shown to be superior to him). @ frieza, they are not known, exactly (vegeta was counting on their power to fight frieza, before he found out how powerful 2nd form frieza is), but they are very high. by my numbers, they top out at:

krillin 375,000

gohan 450,000
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Sep 19 2011, 03:39 AM
vegeta stated that krillin and gohan's power was still steadily rising when the fight with frieza began. so, pre ginyu fight, both krillin and gohan are >10,000 (jeice's scouter) post ginyu force, they are >23,000 (ginyu was 23,000 and each of them were shown to be superior to him). @ frieza, they are not known, exactly (vegeta was counting on their power to fight frieza, before he found out how powerful 2nd form frieza is), but they are very high. by my numbers, they top out at:

krillin 375,000

gohan 450,000
I think that was a bluff, at least for Krillin. There is no way they could be that strong
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why not? also, gohan confirmed it. he's 5, he doesn't know how to bluff. and why would vegeta bluff, when he personally was powerful enough to grapple 1st form frieza?

there is a very simple logic rule in play here: a statement is true until contradicted.

this statement was made by vegeta, AND confirmed by gohan, and it was never contradicted, therefore it's true.
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Sep 19 2011, 03:48 AM
why not? also, gohan confirmed it. he's 5, he doesn't know how to bluff. and why would vegeta bluff, when he personally was powerful enough to grapple 1st form frieza?

there is a very simple logic rule in play here: a statement is true until contradicted.

this statement was made by vegeta, AND confirmed by gohan, and it was never contradicted, therefore it's true.
When was this confirmed by Gohan?
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Sep 19 2011, 03:48 AM
why not? also, gohan confirmed it. he's 5, he doesn't know how to bluff. and why would vegeta bluff, when he personally was powerful enough to grapple 1st form frieza?

there is a very simple logic rule in play here: a statement is true until contradicted.

this statement was made by vegeta, AND confirmed by gohan, and it was never contradicted, therefore it's true.
I really can't see Krillin past 23,000 on Namek
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Chapter: 294 (DBZ 100), P2.2
Piccolo: “I feel an outrageously large ki far away…! Is th-this the monster called Freeza…!? There’s three huge ki close by…! That must be Gohan and the others…!”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

piccolo is stronger than nail (42,000 by frieza's scouter), and considers gohan, krillin, and vegeta to have huge ki's.

vegeta is depending on krillin's and gohan's power to help against frieza, and he's already strong enough to grapple 1st form frieza.

gohan also states that they've gotten better and that vegeta is right.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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Sep 19 2011, 04:04 AM
Chapter: 294 (DBZ 100), P2.2
Piccolo: “I feel an outrageously large ki far away…! Is th-this the monster called Freeza…!? There’s three huge ki close by…! That must be Gohan and the others…!”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”

piccolo is stronger than nail (42,000 by frieza's scouter), and considers gohan, krillin, and vegeta to have huge ki's.

vegeta is depending on krillin's and gohan's power to help against frieza, and he's already strong enough to grapple 1st form frieza.

gohan also states that they've gotten better and that vegeta is right.
But these could easily be based on comparisons on when they first arrived on the Planet to that point. You're saying that Krillin and Gohan went from the 20,000s to 300,000+ and 400,000+, respectively in less than an hour of no fighting whatsoever
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