Pan (EoZ) VS Yamcha (EoZ)

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Pan (EoZ) VS Yamcha (EoZ); Fight
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lunar2	Sep 14 2011, 10:11 PM Post #16
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	and you know that Pan hasn't gotten good enough at flying to fly around the world without people worrying about her, and still not even know the kamehameha. goku's a better trainer than that.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


LionFangFist	Sep 14 2011, 10:16 PM Post #17
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	hmmmm idk, goku said his statement in front of pan so his statement is kinda taken outta context. you don't say "you don't have a chance", to your 5 year old grand daughter. goku probably knew that pan wasn't going to get hurt because he knew that none of their friends were going to hurt her and she is ofcourse stronger than every non z-fighter on the planet which is why she was allowed in the tournament. but hmmm pan vs yamcha? id say yamcha's only a little stronger than goku after he got king kai's training. nothing to really go on for pan's power but i'll give it to yamcha



lunar2	Sep 14 2011, 10:20 PM Post #18
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	goku's not like that. if you don't have a chance, he'll tell you flat out. goku is blunt about power statements like that.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Pyrus	Sep 14 2011, 10:27 PM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	People saying Pan would lose because she's so young should reconsider. Guess how powerful Goten and Trunks were before they even hit 10? More powerful than #18. Just because Pan is young doesn't mean she's not powerful.
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lunar2	Sep 14 2011, 10:58 PM Post #20
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	question. if gohan at 4 is 3x as powerful as goku at 23, is pan at 4 3x as powerful as gohan at 23?
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Pyrus	Sep 14 2011, 11:31 PM Post #21
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	lunar2 Sep 14 2011, 10:58 PM question. if gohan at 4 is 3x as powerful as goku at 23, is pan at 4 3x as powerful as gohan at 23? Good question. I don't know. Lol.
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SirParagon	Sep 14 2011, 11:41 PM Post #22
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	I think we're forgetting that Yamcha has never won... ever. Even if his power level is higher than Pan's he'll just pull one of his trademark failures. Then everybody laughs. Edited by SirParagon, Sep 14 2011, 11:44 PM.
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LionFangFist	Sep 15 2011, 12:27 AM Post #23
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	hmmmm both the examples of gohan and goten and trunks can't necessarily be used. firstly both of them were cop-outs by toriyoma, ofcourse gohan and goten and trunks shouldn't have been that powerful but since he wanted them to be involved in the fights he had to make them that powerful. the cop-out is especially more obvious when comparing the fact that gohan was weaker than Raditz and goten and trunks are stronger than 18 (showing that toriyoma made the powers in retrospect to the sagas power). that cop-out wasn't necessary for pan as toriyoma was ending the series and could actually make her power make sense. also it may be impossible to use gohan OR goten and trunks as examples, as pan isn't 1/2 saiyan 1/2 human. shes 3/4 human 1/4 saiyan, which could result in a much weaker entity for all we know



lunar2	Sep 15 2011, 01:33 AM Post #24
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	first off, there is no such thing as a cop out. the hybrids were as powerful as they were because of a simple generational pattern that is evident throughout the series. gen. 1 (the masters) roshi, shen, korin, kami, and daimao. these fighters never became very powerful, but they developed the basis of the skills and techniques used by the later, more powerful generations. gen. 2 (the reinforcements) goku, vegeta, piccolo, tien, krillin, yamcha, chiaotzu, yajirobe this new generation surpassed the old generation as of the 22nd budokai, when all those that had been introduced by that time were dubbed "the reinforcements" by roshi as he forfeited to tien. gen 2.5 (the idiot) mark nuff said gen. 3 (the children) gohan, goten, trunks, videl this new group of fighters all surpassed their fathers at some point in time, and showed remarkable ease in gaining power that their ancestors would have deemed impossible. they also shared the common trait of being less dedicated than their fathers, and eventually all of them gave up fighting in order to pursue other goals. gen. 4 (the new heroes) uub, pan these two were both introduced as something special, even among their predecessors. pan was shown to have ability far surpassing anyone of comparable age, even her uncle at his best, while uub was introduced as having the dormant ability necessary to inherit the title of earth's protector, with proper training. the stage was set for these two to surpass everything that had been done before. now, onto the hybrid question. pan is more earthling than saiyan, yes. but all that means is that she has a greater proportion of dormant ability compared to her usable power. it doesn't change the fact that she has an unprecedented level of power for her age, even among the other young z fighters.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


LionFangFist	Sep 15 2011, 02:05 AM Post #25
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	^no no no it was a cop out. in tv shows the enemies keep getting stronger and so they heroes do too, even if it makes no sense thats what toriyoma did. however that wasn't nessecary for pan as no stronger enemies were there so no need to give her extraordinary power. as for your hybrid guess, its just that, a guess



+ Pyrus	Sep 15 2011, 02:57 AM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	LionFangFist Sep 15 2011, 02:05 AM ^no no no it was a cop out. in tv shows the enemies keep getting stronger and so they heroes do too, even if it makes no sense thats what toriyoma did. however that wasn't nessecary for pan as no stronger enemies were there so no need to give her extraordinary power. as for your hybrid guess, its just that, a guess And your copout theory is just that, a theory. It runs both ways.
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lunar2	Sep 15 2011, 02:59 AM Post #27
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	it wasn't a cop out. the dragonball world didn't end when Akira Toriyama stopped creating the manga. That's what open endings are for, they allow for continued development. Akira Toriyama never created a closed ending for dragonball, because there was always the chance he might come back to it. uub and pan were written in to be the main characters in the next arc he made, he just never made it.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


LionFangFist	Sep 15 2011, 03:08 AM Post #28
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	^ where did you get that from. that toriyoma planned on continuing the series. Edited by LionFangFist, Sep 15 2011, 03:09 AM.



lunar2	Sep 15 2011, 03:14 AM Post #29
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	let's see... a little thing called common sense. Akira toriyam had already stated he didn't plan very far ahead with dragonball. he originally only planned on making the pilaf saga, but popular opinion convinced him to keep making it. after that, he always planned on going just a little bit further, making a little bit more. literally all the way from the 21st budokai to the end of z, AT was making it up as he went along. when he got to the end of z, he introduced 2 new fighters, and put everything in place to show that they were going to end up even stronger than what came before. the fact is, the end of z is NOT set up like a permanent ending, but like a transition into the next arc that never came.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


LionFangFist	Sep 15 2011, 03:20 AM Post #30
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	^ with that incredibly flawed logic im sure you'd think that something was coming after gt, based around the adventures of goku jr. and vegeta jr. however that isnt the case. toriyoma obviously ended z there



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