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Catholic to atheist; Why is this very common?
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 14 2011, 04:01 AM (2,108 Views)
lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 04:36 AM Post #16
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	songohanfrancais Sep 16 2011, 04:16 AM I think that there's a huge misconception. A lot of people think that religions directly affect your perception while it is quite the opposite. I'm not a Christian, but I know for a fact that there is no where in the Bible where it says "GAYS ARE BAD, THEY NEED TO DIE." Only people's perceptions create that and I know that this is not the general belief of Catholics, or Protestants or any other branches of Christianity. As much as it simplifies things, a stereotype is not the best way to do it. I think that people are beginning to think for themselves and have the right to choose for themselves. They should only belong to a religious if it matches up with their beliefs, not their parents' beliefs or any body else. Only their own. And this is promoting neither atheism nor any religion. I think people are beginning to think for themselves rather than letting others do it for them. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. leviticus 20:13 kjv yes, the bible specifically says that active homosexuals are abominations that should be put to death.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


songohanfrancais	Sep 16 2011, 04:55 AM Post #17
Scholar Posts: 554 Group: Member Member #5,858 Joined: March 16, 2011 Favourite Anime Dagon Ball (Z) Kai What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	lunar2 Sep 16 2011, 04:36 AM songohanfrancais Sep 16 2011, 04:16 AM I think that there's a huge misconception. A lot of people think that religions directly affect your perception while it is quite the opposite. I'm not a Christian, but I know for a fact that there is no where in the Bible where it says "GAYS ARE BAD, THEY NEED TO DIE." Only people's perceptions create that and I know that this is not the general belief of Catholics, or Protestants or any other branches of Christianity. As much as it simplifies things, a stereotype is not the best way to do it. I think that people are beginning to think for themselves and have the right to choose for themselves. They should only belong to a religious if it matches up with their beliefs, not their parents' beliefs or any body else. Only their own. And this is promoting neither atheism nor any religion. I think people are beginning to think for themselves rather than letting others do it for them. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. leviticus 20:13 kjv yes, the bible specifically says that active homosexuals are abominations that should be put to death. Well this is awkward...
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lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 05:21 AM Post #18
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	songohanfrancais Sep 16 2011, 04:55 AM lunar2 Sep 16 2011, 04:36 AM songohanfrancais Sep 16 2011, 04:16 AM I think that there's a huge misconception. A lot of people think that religions directly affect your perception while it is quite the opposite. I'm not a Christian, but I know for a fact that there is no where in the Bible where it says "GAYS ARE BAD, THEY NEED TO DIE." Only people's perceptions create that and I know that this is not the general belief of Catholics, or Protestants or any other branches of Christianity. As much as it simplifies things, a stereotype is not the best way to do it. I think that people are beginning to think for themselves and have the right to choose for themselves. They should only belong to a religious if it matches up with their beliefs, not their parents' beliefs or any body else. Only their own. And this is promoting neither atheism nor any religion. I think people are beginning to think for themselves rather than letting others do it for them. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. leviticus 20:13 kjv yes, the bible specifically says that active homosexuals are abominations that should be put to death. Well this is awkward... i grew up christian, and read the entire bible twice cover to cover. it was the simple fact that unlike most christians, i actually studied what i believed that led me to renounce it, because frankly, half of the stuff in the bible is just ridiculous, and the other half has been twisted so far out of context that what people believe has very little to do with what the bible actually says. compared to some of the stuff in the bible, putting active gays to death is a pretty mild flaw. try: putting 70 people to death because 3 of their relatives questioned the authority of the guy that's been leading them in circles for 40 years. try: killing an entire family because the dad stole some token off a battlefield that happened to be consecrated. try: denying moses entrance to the promised land because he hit a rock twice when god just said to hit it. try: killing the firstborn son of every egyptian family because the pharoah was a liar. try: holding the entire nation of israel responsible if the king or high priest accidentally sins.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Noir	Sep 16 2011, 05:30 AM Post #19
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	I dont think everything in the Bible is to be taken literally
	You're Gonna Carry That Weight


J-Smack	Sep 16 2011, 06:01 AM Post #20
Posts: 1,328 Group: Member Member #5,101 Joined: August 5, 2010 Favourite Anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	A lot of that was in the Old Testament, lunar. Remember that humans wrote the Bible, pretty much every sect believes this. Therefore, it is flawed, even the eyes of Christians. Most Christians do not believe that God wants them to kill in the name of God. I mean, the Ten Commandments are above all, and "Thou Shall Not Kill" is in those.
	darkwarrior has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it. Y2J Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****. ObsessiveFanGirl I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. Now, there's an idea.


~~Destiny~~	Sep 16 2011, 06:08 AM Post #21
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	+ J-Smack http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8361963&t=8316326 A lot of that was in the Old Testament, lunar. Remember that humans wrote the Bible, pretty much every sect believes this. Therefore, it is flawed, even the eyes of Christians. Most Christians do not believe that God wants them to kill in the name of God. I mean, the Ten Commandments are above all, and "Thou Shall Not Kill" is in those. Then why do Christians claim that the Bible is the word of God? Some get sketchy and say that it's God speaking thru these men.



Cal	Sep 16 2011, 06:13 AM Post #22
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	J-Smack Sep 16 2011, 06:01 AM A lot of that was in the Old Testament, lunar. Remember that humans wrote the Bible, pretty much every sect believes this. Therefore, it is flawed, even the eyes of Christians. Most Christians do not believe that God wants them to kill in the name of God. I mean, the Ten Commandments are above all, and "Thou Shall Not Kill" is in those. Not too sure how you can say this. God supposedly told his chosen people to kill many nations in his name. I guess God is above his own laws though, seeing as how the Bible says he destroyed every person in it except a few he personally hand picked to survive. I want to ask this though, if humans made mistakes in the bible then how do you know which parts you should follow? The ones you personally want to follow? The ones that God followed? The ones that Jesus taught? I mean, if we're going to use the shield argument that humans wrote the Bible therefore it's full of mistakes then no one should be vulnerable enough to follow and/or care about any of it. It would be the same if I wrote you a list of rules and told you God told me to tell you to follow them..



Noir	Sep 16 2011, 06:19 AM Post #23
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	Cal Sep 16 2011, 06:13 AM Not too sure how you can say this. God supposedly told his chosen people to kill many nations in his name. I guess God is above his own laws though, seeing as how the Bible says he destroyed every person in it except a few he personally hand picked to survive. I want to ask this though, if humans made mistakes in the bible then how do you know which parts you should follow? The ones you personally want to follow? The ones that God followed? The ones that Jesus taught? I mean, if we're going to use the shield argument that humans wrote the Bible therefore it's full of mistakes then no one should be vulnerable enough to follow and/or care about any of it. It would be the same if I wrote you a list of rules and told you God told me to tell you to follow them.. I guess I'm one of those vulnerable people...It's called faith
	You're Gonna Carry That Weight


J-Smack	Sep 16 2011, 06:24 AM Post #24
Posts: 1,328 Group: Member Member #5,101 Joined: August 5, 2010 Favourite Anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	I personally view Christianity for myself as a system of tradition. Values have been passed down from Jesus Christ and his disciples, and many still believe in their story and their morals. My beliefs in my life make me happy, and they seem to make people happy around me. I think that's what Christianity was supposed to be/should be. People who rely solely on the Bible to make points about Christianity generally have a belief system looking like swiss cheese because of the amount of holes in it. So, I agree with you all about contradictions in the Bible, and therefore choosing which parts to believe in which is pretty inconsistent. I personally believe in what I was taught by the elders of my churches concerning values, morals, beliefs, and such, not everything the Bible tells me. I see the Bible as a less than perfect "testament" as to the history of my religion. Some things in it are useful to me leading a happy life, and others not so much. Sort of like a presidential candidate's views. I've said all of this in response to some questions to let you know my beliefs, but it's sort off topic. I wanted to know why a lot of Catholics convert to atheism. Edited by J-Smack, Sep 16 2011, 06:25 AM.
	darkwarrior has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it. Y2J Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****. ObsessiveFanGirl I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. Now, there's an idea.


Cal	Sep 16 2011, 06:42 AM Post #25
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	MajinCooler Sep 16 2011, 06:19 AM Cal Sep 16 2011, 06:13 AM Not too sure how you can say this. God supposedly told his chosen people to kill many nations in his name. I guess God is above his own laws though, seeing as how the Bible says he destroyed every person in it except a few he personally hand picked to survive. I want to ask this though, if humans made mistakes in the bible then how do you know which parts you should follow? The ones you personally want to follow? The ones that God followed? The ones that Jesus taught? I mean, if we're going to use the shield argument that humans wrote the Bible therefore it's full of mistakes then no one should be vulnerable enough to follow and/or care about any of it. It would be the same if I wrote you a list of rules and told you God told me to tell you to follow them.. I guess I'm one of those vulnerable people...It's called faith Fair enough. I don't want you to think I'm bashing your beliefs, but when the argument comes up when believers say that part of their traditions/laws are wrong or whatever, I just wonder how you know which are the right ones to follow.



J-Smack	Sep 16 2011, 06:50 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,328 Group: Member Member #5,101 Joined: August 5, 2010 Favourite Anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Well, like I said, I don't rely on the Bible as heavily as other people do. Catholics actually have a lot of their own texts in addition to the Bible (I don't rely on all of those either, though.) Some Christian denominations do, and that's their business. So, to directly answer your question, I'm not really even choosing. Others have taught me. I will teach others (such as my children.) Then rinse and repeat. No reading and deciding what's right and what's wrong. Granted, again, this is just me.
	darkwarrior has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Trunks just bought his sword somewhere or something? There's nothing really special about it. Y2J Well it did manage to slice Frieza into a shishkebab so it must've been packing more power than your average blade. Hell even Zelda's sword couldn't pull off that ****. ObsessiveFanGirl I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. Now, there's an idea.


Cal	Sep 16 2011, 07:10 AM Post #27
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	J-Smack Sep 16 2011, 06:50 AM So, to directly answer your question, I'm not really even choosing. Others have taught me. I will teach others (such as my children.) Then rinse and repeat. No reading and deciding what's right and what's wrong. Granted, again, this is just me. I suppose we each have our own paths to follow. Blind faith isn't my way, I want to find the answers for myself, not be told something and then accept it and continue the cycle.



Noir	Sep 16 2011, 07:13 AM Post #28
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	Sigh..im never posting on a religious discussion on this forum again..just makes me mad
	You're Gonna Carry That Weight


Cal	Sep 16 2011, 07:15 AM Post #29
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	MajinCooler Sep 16 2011, 07:13 AM Sigh..im never posting on a religious discussion on this forum again..just makes me mad If you're not confident enough to defend your beliefs then you shouldn't. It's just a mature conversation. If you get jumpy when people ask you why when it comes to your faith then maybe you should ask yourself the same question. At least some on here are willing to give their honest opinions/answers.



Noir	Sep 16 2011, 07:18 AM Post #30
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	Cal Sep 16 2011, 07:15 AM MajinCooler Sep 16 2011, 07:13 AM Sigh..im never posting on a religious discussion on this forum again..just makes me mad If you're not confident enough to defend your beliefs then you shouldn't. It's just a mature conversation. If you get jumpy when people ask you why when it comes to your faith then maybe you should ask yourself the same question. At least some on here are willing to give their honest opinions/answers. I dont need to prove my belief and faith to you..why does it matter? Not like its gonna change your opinion and ill die defending my faith..now thats confidence Edited by Noir, Sep 16 2011, 07:19 AM.
	You're Gonna Carry That Weight


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