Gohan unlocked potential vs Goku unlocked potential

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Gohan unlocked potential vs Goku unlocked potential
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lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 01:02 AM Post #46
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	if it was full potential release, which it was, it would be exactly what it was. goku didn't have ssj3 tier potential at that time. he had roughly double his base power in potential. you seem to be working with a very faulty definition of potential. in dragonball, potential is the hidden power that you already have. it is in no way a measure of how powerful you can become, it's simply your true power AT THAT MOMENT. if you go train and get stronger, your potential gets stronger too.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 13 2011, 01:04 AM Post #47
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	illstand1 Sep 13 2011, 12:57 AM A handful of Japanese translators beg to differ. Anyway, if it was full potential release it would he would be ssj3+. not sure what you're arguing here Where is this handful of Japanese translators? On the DBZ wiki? That site is garbage. Lunar presented you with a direct translation of the quote. I don't know why you're having a problem with it, or why you're trying to defend Goku having such low potential compared to Gohan.
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SirParagon	Sep 13 2011, 01:08 AM Post #48
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Goku doesn't really seem to have an overall limit, though his potential up-take is a lot slower than Gohan's. Edited by SirParagon, Sep 13 2011, 01:12 AM.
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Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:09 AM Post #49
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 13 2011, 01:04 AM illstand1 Sep 13 2011, 12:57 AM A handful of Japanese translators beg to differ. Anyway, if it was full potential release it would he would be ssj3+. not sure what you're arguing here Where is this handful of Japanese translators? On the DBZ wiki? That site is garbage. Lunar presented you with a direct translation of the quote. I don't know why you're having a problem with it, or why you're trying to defend Goku having such low potential compared to Gohan. I never linked to the dbz wiki on that post. Refer below. He presented me with HIS translation of the post. Edited by Mihawk, Sep 13 2011, 01:10 AM.



Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:14 AM Post #50
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Sep 13 2011, 01:02 AM if it was full potential release, which it was, it would be exactly what it was. goku didn't have ssj3 tier potential at that time. he had roughly double his base power in potential. you seem to be working with a very faulty definition of potential. in dragonball, potential is the hidden power that you already have. it is in no way a measure of how powerful you can become, it's simply your true power AT THAT MOMENT. if you go train and get stronger, your potential gets stronger too. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/potential 1. The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being. The fact that he went SSJ3 meant he always had the potential to become that powerful at some point. A potential release would skip steps needed to attain your potential



Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:14 AM Post #51
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	SirParagon Sep 13 2011, 01:08 AM Goku doesn't really seem to have an overall limit, though his potential up-take is a lot slower than Gohan's. exactly what I'm saying.



SirParagon	Sep 13 2011, 01:17 AM Post #52
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	So implying that a character's potential has been fully released doesn't exactly make sense. That's if we assume every character has the potential to be infinitely powerful with enough effort/plot devices. Edited by SirParagon, Sep 13 2011, 01:18 AM.
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lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 01:20 AM Post #53
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	when will people learn not to use english dictionaries to define translations of japanese words? did you realize that the word potential is never actually used in the manga? what we call potential is always referred to as hidden power or dormant ability, and it's definition is this: Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P4.9, P5.1-2 Context: after Gohan’s unintentional display of power Goku: “…Am…amazin’…So he really wasn’t just some regular dirty old geezer?...talking to Kaioshin ‘Do-dormant ability’…That’s a person’s true power, that they have hidden all along…Right?” Kaioshin: “Ye-yeah…I-I think so…” Goku: “Mu-must be…Man, Go-Gohan…Just how the heck much power is he hiding?...” straight out of goku's mouth. dormant ability: a person's true power, that they have hidden all along. are you saying that goku actually had the ssj3 ki within him way back in dragonball? that his relatively undeveloped, unconditioned, and still growing body actually had the ability to store THAT amount of ki? of course not.
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Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:21 AM Post #54
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	SirParagon Sep 13 2011, 01:17 AM So implying that a character's potential has been fully released doesn't exactly make sense. That's if we assume every character has the potential to be infinitely powerful with enough effort/plot devices. it's assumed that the kai unlock was a full potential unlock according to kai although I'm not sure. I need to read up more to make sure his was a full potential unlock.



* Yu Narukami	Sep 13 2011, 01:24 AM Post #55
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Previous potential boosts don't mean anything. Gohan's potential got released 3 times. And the only example Korin had regarding the Water was normal human reactions. Needless to say, Goku wasn't a human. And wouldn't potential increase with training? I mean, it isn't a set thing from birth. The mixture of Human and Saiyan blood is shown to harbour massive potential, much more so than any single pure race can hope to achieve.



SirParagon	Sep 13 2011, 01:25 AM Post #56
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	lunar2 Sep 13 2011, 01:20 AM when will people learn not to use english dictionaries to define translations of japanese words? did you realize that the word potential is never actually used in the manga? what we call potential is always referred to as hidden power or dormant ability, and it's definition is this: Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P4.9, P5.1-2 Context: after Gohan’s unintentional display of power Goku: “…Am…amazin’…So he really wasn’t just some regular dirty old geezer?...talking to Kaioshin ‘Do-dormant ability’…That’s a person’s true power, that they have hidden all along…Right?” Kaioshin: “Ye-yeah…I-I think so…” Goku: “Mu-must be…Man, Go-Gohan…Just how the heck much power is he hiding?...” straight out of goku's mouth. dormant ability: a person's true power, that they have hidden all along. are you saying that goku actually had the ssj3 ki within him way back in dragonball? that his relatively undeveloped, unconditioned, and still growing body actually had the ability to store THAT amount of ki? of course not. We're drifting into the territory of potentiality vs actuality. E.g. the actuality of a closed eye cannot see, but it has the potential to see. How we define potential here is important, yes. It could either mean an existing potential or a future potential. You're suggesting that the proper Japanese interpretation is more along the lines of existing potential. In which case we would have to take the two characters from a single saga/point in time, thus the thread's title is too general. On the other hand, if we take it as future potential we would still have to determine a set time they would both fight... which inevitably loops back into existing potential. Edited by SirParagon, Sep 13 2011, 01:38 AM.
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Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:26 AM Post #57
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Quote: when will people learn not to use english dictionaries to define translations of japanese words? did you realize that the word potential is never actually used in the manga? what we call potential is always referred to as hidden power or dormant ability, and it's definition is this: Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P4.9, P5.1-2 Context: after Gohan’s unintentional display of power Goku: “…Am…amazin’…So he really wasn’t just some regular dirty old geezer?...talking to Kaioshin ‘Do-dormant ability’…That’s a person’s true power, that they have hidden all along…Right?” Kaioshin: “Ye-yeah…I-I think so…” Goku: “Mu-must be…Man, Go-Gohan…Just how the heck much power is he hiding?...” straight out of goku's mouth. dormant ability: a person's true power, that they have hidden all along. are you saying that goku actually had the ssj3 ki within him way back in dragonball? that his relatively undeveloped, unconditioned, and still growing body actually had the ability to store THAT amount of ki? of course not. so what you're saying that the hidden power is developed and gained? you can gain more hidden power and dormant power over time?



Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 01:27 AM Post #58
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I guess the arguments ends at what we think potential/dormant/hidden/future/power is. According to translations I've read it seems completely wrong. But guessing that @lunar2 - you're jap - you have your own opinion. Let's just leave it there. Getting tired of this Edited by Mihawk*, Sep 13 2011, 01:30 AM.



Rockman	Sep 13 2011, 01:44 AM Post #59
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	illstand1 Sep 13 2011, 01:27 AM I guess the arguments ends at what we think potential/dormant/hidden/future/power is. According to translations I've read it seems completely wrong. But guessing that @lunar2 - you're ja*p - you have your own opinion. Let's just leave it there. Getting tired of this There's a reason we have that word filtered. And I think you just used it in the context of the reason.
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Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 02:00 AM Post #60
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Engineer Sep 13 2011, 01:44 AM illstand1 Sep 13 2011, 01:27 AM I guess the arguments ends at what we think potential/dormant/hidden/future/power is. According to translations I've read it seems completely wrong. But guessing that @lunar2 - you're jap - you have your own opinion. Let's just leave it there. Getting tired of this There's a reason we have that word filtered. And I think you just used it in the context of the reason. I added the because I thought it was out of the normal context. in fact I was giving him an advantage and the argument. But I apologize if it seems otherwise. Edited by Mihawk, Sep 13 2011, 02:33 AM.



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