Gohan unlocked potential vs Goku unlocked potential

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Gohan unlocked potential vs Goku unlocked potential
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 13 2011, 12:17 AM Post #31
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	How limited was his supposed involvement though? The fact that Gohan has more potential has been shown and foreshadowed throughout the entire series. KP presented enough evidence to show that Gohan's potential is higher than anyone else's (Barring Trunks and Goten).



lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 12:20 AM Post #32
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	no, goku wouldn't be stronger than gohan. goku had a full potential release, and it doubled his power at the most. gohan has had 2 potential releases, and they both multiplied his power many times over. you can go around and randomly say wrong and repeat exactly what i said as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that goku's full potential was released, and it was bull*****, while gohan's full potential was released, and he multiplied his power over and over.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:21 AM Post #33
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Mirai Trunks Sep 13 2011, 12:17 AM How limited was his supposed involvement though? The fact that Gohan has more potential has been shown and foreshadowed throughout the entire series. KP presented enough evidence to show that Gohan's potential is higher than anyone else's (Barring Trunks and Goten). Again, I never said he didn't have incredible potential. Not sure where you're getting that from (where does it show he has more than goku or even vegeta, though. Something solid, not speculation again I just argued a whole page of that) So if you wanna do it based on what we assume toriyama suggests then he also suggests through dragonball and dragonball z that goku will overcome anyone and anything.



Wolf	Sep 13 2011, 12:23 AM Post #34
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	This is why power levels don't help. They just turn into wars of numbers. In my opinion, Goku's ability to read and analyze any situation he's in is where he gets an edge. To me, Gohan always seemed to rush blindly at foes with anger and attack without thinking. In the Saiyan and Namekian sagas, he proves to do that a lot. Gohan maybe stronger but, Goku is the better fighter. He has had more experience with combat with stronger foes then Gohan. Plus, he's probably more mastered in the SSJ form (not sure if that matters) In a tough battle, I pick Goku to come out on top. Not because of his strength but, because of his wit and willingness to accept a challenge.
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Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:27 AM Post #35
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Sep 13 2011, 12:20 AM no, goku wouldn't be stronger than gohan. goku had a full potential release, and it doubled his power at the most. gohan has had 2 potential releases, and they both multiplied his power many times over. you can go around and randomly say wrong and repeat exactly what i said as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that goku's full potential was released, and it was bull***, while gohan's full potential was released, and he multiplied his power over and over. lol goku never had his full potential realesed. that doesn't make any sense. full potential release would mean that goku dragon ball > goku z lol, hope you're joking I didn't copy what you were saying either. Check it out. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Divine_Water "The Ultra Divine Water is a magic water that will increase the drinker's strength substantially, if he can survive its poisonous and painful effects. " It doesn't even say potential release, lol. "Via the Ultra Divine Water, Goku also learned the Ki sensing ability" Hmm sounds like full potential too me Edited by Mihawk**, Sep 13 2011, 12:33 AM.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 13 2011, 12:28 AM Post #36
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	i disagree, when ur opponent is like more then x5 stronger then you( just a number i personally think its higher). then nothing else really matter unless its a kick ***** technique like I.T and destructo disk ect...



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Sep 13 2011, 12:28 AM Post #37
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Broskey Sep 13 2011, 12:23 AM This is why power levels don't help. They just turn into wars of numbers. In my opinion, Goku's ability to read and analyze any situation he's in is where he gets an edge. To me, Gohan always seemed to rush blindly at foes with anger and attack without thinking. In the Saiyan and Namekian sagas, he proves to do that a lot. Gohan maybe stronger but, Goku is the better fighter. He has had more experience with combat with stronger foes then Gohan. Plus, he's probably more mastered in the SSJ form (not sure if that matters) In a tough battle, I pick Goku to come out on top. Not because of his strength but, because of his wit and willingness to accept a challenge. Ill give it to you broskey, youre right, But even goku had to admit that cell just was too much for what he could bring to the table, and in the end it WAS gohans power that saved them. No other way around it TBH.



Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:32 AM Post #38
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Ninjajp247 Sep 13 2011, 12:28 AM Broskey Sep 13 2011, 12:23 AM This is why power levels don't help. They just turn into wars of numbers. In my opinion, Goku's ability to read and analyze any situation he's in is where he gets an edge. To me, Gohan always seemed to rush blindly at foes with anger and attack without thinking. In the Saiyan and Namekian sagas, he proves to do that a lot. Gohan maybe stronger but, Goku is the better fighter. He has had more experience with combat with stronger foes then Gohan. Plus, he's probably more mastered in the SSJ form (not sure if that matters) In a tough battle, I pick Goku to come out on top. Not because of his strength but, because of his wit and willingness to accept a challenge. Ill give it to you broskey, youre right, But even goku had to admit that cell just was too much for what he could bring to the table, and in the end it WAS gohans power that saved them. No other way around it TBH. but do you think that goku ssj2 > cell? Many agree goku ssj2 > gohan ssj2. I'm sure you agree but just look how long it took him to get there and how fast gohan gets there going back to my original point, once again



lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 12:35 AM Post #39
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Chapter: 151, P2.1 Karin: “Unlike the Super Holy Water, the Super God Water isn’t just a trick; it’s not merely ordinary water. Rather, it’s magnificent water capable of drawing out all the power you’ve got hidden inside you…However, if you’ve already mastered all of your power through training, even if you drink the Super God Water you won’t get stronger at all…” the super god water is a full potential release. it draws out ALL your hidden power, not just some of it. that was all the hidden power goku had, and it MAYBE doubled his power. Chapter: 248 (DBZ 54), P12.2-5 Subject: Kuririn, Gohan Zarbon: “Lord Freeza… Concerning the reconnaissance we sent out earlier… It appears we’re facing more than ordinary beings. Their battle power momentarily rose again, and after defeating our scouts, their reading disappeared again…” Freeza: “I see. That is odd. It does not sound like Vegeta…” Zarbon: “The reading is quite different from Vegeta’s. Their battle powers were both about 1500.” Freeza: “1500…It won’t matter much if we just leave them alone, but their attitude doesn’t look so good. Wipe them out the next time you find them.” Chapter: 274 (DBZ 80), P8.4 Jheese: “This is unexpected. Those little squirts' battle power surpassed 10,000." guru's potential release: 1,500 to "over 10,000". 1,500 to 10,001 is a ~6.7x increase Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…And I’m in the process of becoming what you’re afraid of: a Super Saiyan…!” and gohan's power continues to rise from the residual effect of guru's potential release. he's strong enough to be counted on in a battle against 1st form frieza (pl 530,000). Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6 Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!” Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2 Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…” and here we see that he had hidden power LEFT OVER from the potential release. Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P13.1 Context: after Gohan beats him up Freeza: “Seems that you’re no ordinary squirt…That even hurt me a little bit…But you’ve got the wrong opponent…You simply made me angry…” his burst here was enough to hurt second form frieza, who's at least double first form frieza. as we can clearly see. gohan's PARTIAL potential release completely dwarfed goku's FULL potential release, to the point that there is absolutely no comparison.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Wolf	Sep 13 2011, 12:43 AM Post #40
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	What you guys don't get is that this has been stated. Once a Saiyan level is reached, it's easier for any other Saiyan to reach it. They see what they have to do to become one so they can follow in that persons footsteps. Unlocking it makes it easier for the Saiyans around you.
	me&dingo Shadow Realms Future


Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:43 AM Post #41
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	@lunar2 so, 5 different sites don't say "all" like you quoted above. the potential release by the grand kai was a completley different animal and has always been interpreted that way. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Kai%27s_Unlock_Ability "Old Kai's Unlock Ability is the name given to the power Gohan received from the Old Kai's Unlock Potential that allowed him to unlock his full potential." It's been interpreted like that through the history of dragon ball. The release by the water made him a little stronger. If it released all his potential, he would be stronger than a ssj3 or equal as some argue. Edited by Mihawk, Sep 13 2011, 12:45 AM.



lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 12:49 AM Post #42
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	i don't care what random fans on a wiki believe. over a million uneducated people used to believe the world was flat. it didn't change the fact that the world is round. over a million dragonball fans that have never read the original work and don't know jack ***** about anything other than what funimation told them decided that the super god water wasn't a full potential release. it doesn't change the fact that according to the manga written by akira toriyama, it IS a full potential release. ONE AKIRA TORIYAMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONE MILLION IGNORANT FANS + TWO GREEDY COMPANIES.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:51 AM Post #43
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Sep 13 2011, 12:49 AM i don't care what random fans on a wiki believe. over a million uneducated people used to believe the world was flat. it didn't change the fact that the world is round. over a million dragonball fans that have never read the original work and don't know jack *** about anything other than what funimation told them decided that the super god water wasn't a full potential release. it doesn't change the fact that according to the manga written by akira toriyama, it IS a full potential release. ONE AKIRA TORIYAMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONE MILLION IGNORANT FANS + TWO GREEDY COMPANIES. ok. please link me to where it says full potential release. everywhere I'm reading it's saying just takes out dormant power. nothing is yet to say "full". the reason the water worked was because he hadn't reached ssj3; his full potential (as many say, I say no, he has much more). or else it simply wouldn't work. again if it was a full release he would be able to take on buu during that time. but he clearly wasn't Edited by Mihawk**, Sep 13 2011, 12:53 AM.



lunar2	Sep 13 2011, 12:55 AM Post #44
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	read the manga. no links required. go buy the viz translation. it says all. go learn japanese, and read the japanese manga. it says all, i checked.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


Mihawk	Sep 13 2011, 12:57 AM Post #45
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	A handful of Japanese translators beg to differ. Anyway, if it was full potential release it would he would be ssj3+. not sure what you're arguing here Edited by Mihawk, Sep 13 2011, 12:59 AM.



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