ASSJ Vegeta (cell games, post 2nd rosat) vs Perfect Cell (post fight with Goku)

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ASSJ Vegeta (cell games, post 2nd rosat) vs Perfect Cell (post fight with Goku)
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lunar2	Sep 15 2011, 10:39 PM Post #16
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	vegeta had also given up on the grade forms, so his ssj power was his max power. even while being toyed with by the cell jrs., neither him nor trunks transformed to assj.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ supersaqer	Sep 16 2011, 08:53 PM Post #17
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Sep 15 2011, 10:39 PM vegeta had also given up on the grade forms, so his ssj power was his max power. even while being toyed with by the cell jrs., neither him nor trunks transformed to assj. Nope, I don't think so. If they was using the ASSJ form and if they haven't, then they'd have lost the fight badly. I think that Vegeta's SSJ is as strong as ASSJ Vegeta while he was fighting Semi-Perfect Cell. SSJ2 Gohan > SPC > BPC > FPC > MSSJ Gohan > MSSJ Goku > CJ > ASSJ Trunks > ASSJ Vegeta > SPC > IPC. Edited by supersaqer, Sep 16 2011, 08:54 PM.
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lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 09:06 PM Post #18
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	trunks and vegeta were only using basic ssj at the cell games. they didn't use assj at all after the fights with semi perfect cell and initial perfect cell.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ supersaqer	Sep 16 2011, 09:42 PM Post #19
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Sep 16 2011, 09:06 PM trunks and vegeta were only using basic ssj at the cell games. they didn't use assj at all after the fights with semi perfect cell and initial perfect cell. They haven't used the USSJ, but they have used the ASSJ. Go and check the manga.
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lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 09:44 PM Post #20
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	i have checked the manga. they were ssj. vegeta has never used ussj, anyway.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Clearin	Sep 16 2011, 09:46 PM Post #21
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	It's debatable. He didn't seem to have the muscles of an ASSj but that could be due to the lighting on his costume not showing them off as much as it did in the first appearance. Personally I think it's silly that he wouldn't use ASSj, why purposely hold back? Even though I'm still one of the people who thinks he's SSj it's starting to become less obvious in my mind



+ supersaqer	Sep 16 2011, 10:08 PM Post #22
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Teen GohanZ Sep 16 2011, 09:46 PM It's debatable. He didn't seem to have the muscles of an ASSj but that could be due to the lighting on his costume not showing them off as much as it did in the first appearance. Personally I think it's silly that he wouldn't use ASSj, why purposely hold back? Even though I'm still one of the people who thinks he's SSj it's starting to become less obvious in my mind I want to tell you something, IPC's PL is about 5 billion and I think that ASSJ Vegeta is about 3 to 3.5 billion plus I think that the SSJ Vegeta in the Cell games share the same PL, so they'd get owned like when IPC did, but Vegeta was on bar with them and I think the CJ's PL is a bit stronger than IPC, so they'd need ASSJ to be on bar with them, so I think they went to ASSJ. My PL's. IPC : 5,000,000,000. ASSJ Vegeta : 3,000,000,000 - 3,500,000,000 ASSJ Trunks : 3,500,000,000 - 4,000,000,000. USSJ Trunks : 10,500,000,000 - 12,000,000,000. Buff PC : 22,500,000,000 - 23,000,000,000. ______________________________________ CJ (Holding Back) : 5,000,000,000 - 6,000,000,000. CJ (Serious) : 7,000,000,000 - 8,000,000,000. SSJ Vegeta : 3,000,000,000 - 3,500,000,000. SSJ Trunks : 3,500,000,000 - 4,000,000,000. ASSJ Vegeta : 6,000,000,000 - 7,000,000,000. ASSJ Trunks : 7,000,000,000 - 8,000,000,000. SSJ Gohan : 5,000,000,000. SSJ Goku : 4,500,000,000. MSSJ Goku : 10,000,000,000. MSSJ Gohan : 12,000,000,000 - 13,500,000,000. By now you should know that they've used the ASSJ transformation based on my near to realistic PL's.
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lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 10:12 PM Post #23
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	top right panel bottom left panel there is a clear difference in the size of vegeta in the two pictures. against semicell, every single muscle in his body was not only more defined, but just plain bigger. there is no ambiguity here, vegeta was NOT an assj at the cell games.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ supersaqer	Sep 16 2011, 10:14 PM Post #24
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Maybe AK made a mistake, if he was in SSJ form, then now we wouldn't have seen Vegeta, except if someone revived him with the Dragon balls.
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+ Clearin	Sep 16 2011, 10:18 PM Post #25
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	lunar2 Sep 16 2011, 10:12 PM there is a clear difference in the size of vegeta in the two pictures. against semicell, every single muscle in his body was not only more defined, but just plain bigger. there is no ambiguity here, vegeta was NOT an assj at the cell games. Look at the lighting in the first pic, it's showing the muscles themselves, it's much more detailed mostly due to the brighter parts of the costume. In the bottom pic his costume is fully black, making it harder to tell. Like I said I do think he was SSj, it's just stupid of him to not go further.



lunar2	Sep 16 2011, 10:18 PM Post #26
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	@super maybe YOU made a mistake, and vegeta improved more than you thought he did. Akira Toriyama is the author, he decides how powerful everyone is in each form, not you. your made up powerlevels must be wrong, because they contradict what is shown in the manga. @tgz, that covers the definition issue, but there is a clear size and shape difference that the color of the suit has nothing to do with. vegeta against semicell is big, with very bulgin shoulders, vegeta against the cell kid is small, with straighter arm an leg lines. Edited by lunar2, Sep 16 2011, 10:21 PM.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 16 2011, 10:37 PM Post #27
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	yeah i go to agree with lunar 2 he has showed us pretty good evidence you guys are just being ignorant just look at the pics good job lunar2 with the evidence and once again i think cell would win hes pretty smart he would probably tick vegeta or something



+ Clearin	Sep 16 2011, 10:49 PM Post #28
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	havoc_wreaker Sep 16 2011, 10:37 PM yeah i go to agree with lunar 2 he has showed us pretty good evidence you guys are just being ignorant How exactly am I being ignorant? I literally said in both of my posts I thought Vegeta was a Super Saiyan.



oodle	Sep 17 2011, 02:39 AM Post #29
Posts: 349 Group: Member Member #6,186 Joined: May 12, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Code Geass	Did i miss something? I don't recall Trunks going into the rosat twice. Did he? I always thought after his second rosat visit, Vegeta surpassed Trunks considerably as trunks didn't go back in...



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 17 2011, 02:57 AM Post #30
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Teen GohanZ i meant to change that but got lazy no harm done see buddies for life



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