bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 02:56 AM

Nail as he was on Namek vs Tienshinhan by the time, Piccolo was wished back and on Namek.

If you don't give Tienshinhan much credit, at Yamcha and Choazu as well...

Keep in mind:
- Piccolo became much much stronger than Nail via Kaio Training
- Tien (Yamcha, Chaozu) has been training with Kaio for just as long as Piccolo, no more, no less.

MajinCooler27

Sep 12 2011, 02:59 AM

Tien I think..because they defeated the ginyu force on king kais planet not long after that..and i gotta put the ginyu force above nail..well maybe not guldo but

MajinCooler27

Sep 12 2011, 03:04 AM

sorry i dont read the manga..how should i know?

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:01 AM

bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 02:56 AM

Nail as he was on Namek vs Tienshinhan by the time, Piccolo was wished back and on Namek.

If you don't give Tienshinhan much credit, at Yamcha and Choazu as well...

Keep in mind:
- Piccolo became much much stronger than Nail via Kaio Training
- Tien (Yamcha, Chaozu) has been training with Kaio for just as long as Piccolo, no more, no less.

Biz, how you know that Piccolo became "MUCH MUCH STRONGER" than Nail? Piccolo only knew that there was someone (Frieza) stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, so he only knew that there was someone stronger than a PL of 16.000.
So Piccolo could be everywhere higher than 16.000, Nail is 42.000.
Nevertheless, by my calculations i have Piccolo at ca. 60.000.
So, i would put Tien around Recoome's level (ca. 40.000).
Take this into consideration, Nail probably takes this, since he has regeneration abilities and he is an elite Namek warrior...

If we take into account filler, Tien is even stronger, since he defeated Burter and Jeice.

bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 03:16 AM

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:01 AM

bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 02:56 AM

Nail as he was on Namek vs Tienshinhan by the time, Piccolo was wished back and on Namek.

If you don't give Tienshinhan much credit, at Yamcha and Choazu as well...

Keep in mind:
- Piccolo became much much stronger than Nail via Kaio Training
- Tien (Yamcha, Chaozu) has been training with Kaio for just as long as Piccolo, no more, no less.

Biz, how you know that Piccolo became "MUCH MUCH STRONGER" than Nail? Piccolo only knew that there was someone (Frieza) stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta, so he only knew that there was someone stronger than a PL of 16.000.
So Piccolo could be everywhere higher than 16.000, Nail is 42.000.
Nevertheless, by my calculations i have Piccolo at ca. 60.000.
So, i would put Tien around Recoome's level (ca. 40.000).
Take this into consideration, Nail probably takes this, since he has regeneration abilities and he is an elite Namek warrior...

If we take into account filler, Tien is even stronger, since he defeated Burter and Jeice.

"I'm impressed. I don't know what kind of training you went through but you're very strong."
Nail is exhausted from j**zing over how strong Piccolo is...



The next page for the lols...

Piccolo > Nail, seemingly much so, since Piccolo has since felt how powerful First Form Frieza is...

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:19 AM

Well, the phrase "you are very strong" is very vague.

Where do you have Piccolo? This is important since then we can figure out where to place Tien at that exact time.

bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 03:38 AM

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:19 AM

Well, the phrase "you are very strong" is very vague.

Where do you have Piccolo? This is important since then we can figure out where to place Tien at that exact time.

Thing is, I doubt Nail would call him strong if he wasn't stronger than him at least; especially after Nail just got superstomped by Frieza's neck. If Piccolo were weaker than Nail, then I see Nail telling Piccolo to not even try.

This was a decent topic, but there was another one. Possibly Piccolo is anywhere in ]42 000, 200 000[.

I'd narrow that to ]60 000 150 000[,

I'd try to narrow that once more to ]80 000 120 000[,

and then randomly draw a 105 000. Then I'd draw a 85 000. Take your pick.

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:43 AM

bizness86

Sep 12 2011, 03:38 AM

NeoSSayajin

Sep 12 2011, 03:19 AM

Well, the phrase "you are very strong" is very vague.

Where do you have Piccolo? This is important since then we can figure out where to place Tien at that exact time.

Thing is, I doubt Nail would call him strong if he wasn't stronger than him at least; especially after Nail just got superstomped by Frieza's neck. If Piccolo were weaker than Nail, then I see Nail telling Piccolo to not even try.

This was a decent topic, but there was another one. Possibly Piccolo is anywhere in ]42 000, 200 000[.

I'd narrow that to ]60 000 150 000[,

I'd try to narrow that once more to ]80 000 120 000[,

and then randomly draw a 105 000. Then I'd draw a 85 000. Take your pick.

Well, until that time Nail was the only Namek to be considered "strong", since the other Nameks had PL of around 1.000 - 3.000, but i understand your point.
If i have to guess i have Piccolo at around 60.000 - 90.000, 75.000.
If we take into account filler (the battle between Tien, Yamcha and Chiatzu vs. Burter, Jeice, Recoome and Guldo) he is even higher, maybe reaching Captain Ginyu level.

Ninjajp247

Sep 12 2011, 04:32 AM

I think the filler that was added in the anime about the kai training for the z fighters hits it right on the head, so even though comic wise we dont KNOW what happened AT had them put in this little bit into his cartoon to erase that mistake. The z fighters beating down the ginyu force in the anime is MEANT to show how strong they had really become, gokus true advantage at that time was the fact he got spiritual training from king kai, without that? NONE of the z fighters would have been able to get as powerful as they did by eoz. except krillin who neither the manga or anime trained with king kai, which to me makes no sense as he was dead just as long as the rest of them comparatively when they started wishing people back.

My only question would be...why? if krillin had gotten that training ON TOP of the potential release? he would be remarkably strong, so maybe thats why it didnt happen. If tien had gotten that potential release? same thing. Pretty crazy, i actually think that the spiritual training paid off better. Cause they got to do some real training whereas krillin just powered up and then gotten himself killed.

I think tien takes this but just barely. He really in all honesty shouldnt be more than about 40-45000 imo, maybe somewhere in the 50's at his maximum ki discharge.

Kamikaze Pyro

Sep 12 2011, 04:37 AM

As for Krillin not training on Kaio's, I agree. He should've. Kami was just an ***** and didn't give him a body to do so, for whatever reason.