100% Frieza vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)

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100% Frieza vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)
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Frostmourne	Sep 7 2011, 01:01 PM Post #106
Lord of the Scourge Posts: 1,382 Group: Member Member #6,379 Joined: June 20, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonall Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Pedy Sep 7 2011, 08:36 AM ~Stay epic my friends Awesome! Edited by Frostmourne, Sep 7 2011, 01:02 PM.
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Balthazor	Sep 8 2011, 09:07 AM Post #107
I'm damn serious Posts: 1,762 Group: Member Member #3,096 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh , Pokemon What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ , YuYu Hakusho ,Inuyasha , Yu Gi Oh ,Naruto	Ninjajp247 Sep 7 2011, 05:48 AM ^^^^ which island? prefecture? dialect? Tokyo hachiouji city mah man,
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oodle	Sep 8 2011, 12:04 PM Post #108
Posts: 349 Group: Member Member #6,186 Joined: May 12, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Code Geass	Goku decimates Frieza lol I'm sure Goku by the buu saga has surpassed Piccolo (cell games) in base form.



~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Oct 2 2011, 03:29 PM Post #109
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	The longest Frezia would last is 10 seconds, and thats with Goku toying with him. If Goku was trying 100%, it would be over in a blink of an eye!



~~CatouttaHell~~	Oct 2 2011, 04:03 PM Post #110
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Boo arc Base Goku would destroy any version of Freeza, King Cold, and Coola (even with the Movie 5 hax) by swinging his hand in their general direction.



~~p123~~	Oct 2 2011, 06:43 PM Post #111
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Kaioshin thinks nothing of Freeza. Kaioshin is sweating bullets when he has to fight Pocus, and craps himself when Yakkon appears. It doesn't get much easier than this.



+ Pyrus	Oct 2 2011, 08:11 PM Post #112
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	p123 Oct 2 2011, 06:43 PM Kaioshin thinks nothing of Freeza. Kaioshin is sweating bullets when he has to fight Pocus, and craps himself when Yakkon appears. It doesn't get much easier than this. Well, I've seen a lot of people who are opposed to the Base Saiyans being stronger than Freeza argue that the whole ship thing makes no sense because Kaioshin is afraid (well, cautious of Pui-Pui and actually afraid of Yakon) of the two even with Gohan as an ally.
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lunar2	Oct 2 2011, 08:12 PM Post #113
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	kaioshin just told vegeta to be careful with pui pui. kaioshin didn't know how powerful either vegeta or pui pui was, so he was just being cautious on principle. with yakon, kaioshin knew of him by reputation, but again, hadn't had any personal experience with him, so he just knew that yakon was very powerful, not how powerful he was. also, since vegeta didn't ever power up against pui pui, kaioshin still had no real basis for measuring anyone besides gohan. the simple fact is that all of kaioshin's fear can simply be attributed to ignorance and caution, not to any tangible source. kaioshin may well have been more powerful than yakon, we just don't know.
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+ Pyrus	Oct 2 2011, 08:18 PM Post #114
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	lunar2 Oct 2 2011, 08:12 PM kaioshin just told vegeta to be careful with pui pui. kaioshin didn't know how powerful either vegeta or pui pui was, so he was just being cautious on principle. with yakon, kaioshin knew of him by reputation, but again, hadn't had any personal experience with him, so he just knew that yakon was very powerful, not how powerful he was. also, since vegeta didn't ever power up against pui pui, kaioshin still had no real basis for measuring anyone besides gohan. the simple fact is that all of kaioshin's fear can simply be attributed to ignorance and caution, not to any tangible source. kaioshin may well have been more powerful than yakon, we just don't know. I agree. Still, I wonder why he'd suggest them all teaming up to fight Yakon when Gohan's there. Surely he didn't think Yakon was as powerful as Gohan, though that could be what it was I guess.
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+ Clearin	Oct 2 2011, 08:21 PM Post #115
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Ever wonder if maybe Supreme Kai can't sense Ki?



lunar2	Oct 2 2011, 08:24 PM Post #116
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	kaioshin had an excessively cautious personality during that entire period. he didn't want a single scrap of power to go to buu, which imo caused him to overestimate his opponents and underestimate his allies. i think, honestly, that the best indication we have of his power is that he lasted longer than mssj gohan against buu. but, by my numbers, even if he's stronger than mssj gohan, he's not too much stronger than base goku and still significantly weaker than mssj (pre majin) vegeta. @tgz. he could, but he wasn't very good at it, imo. Edited by lunar2, Oct 2 2011, 08:25 PM.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


~~p123~~	Oct 2 2011, 08:25 PM Post #117
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I actually got the whole Badibi Ship sequence figured out. Kaioshin/Kibito forgot Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's ki at the Budokai. It's likely that everyone did. Toriyama probably decided to go a different route here and conveneiently had everyone forget certain things. Kaioshin, goes back to his first assessment of how strong he thinks the Saiyans are. A bit above him, which would be below Pocus in his mind. Badibi has the same estimation as well.



lunar2	Oct 2 2011, 08:42 PM Post #118
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	so, kaioshin forgot how powerful gohan was? that may work from a meta perspective, but i always stick to in universe explanations, if at all possible. kaioshin isn't going to suddenly forget about the 2nd highest ki he's ever felt, and the highest he's felt in the last 5,000,000 years.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Pyrus	Oct 2 2011, 08:52 PM Post #119
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8369377&t=8314594 Ever wonder if maybe Supreme Kai can't sense Ki? No, because he states Gohan's power was more than he imagined at the tournament. lunar2 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8369381&t=8314594 kaioshin had an excessively cautious personality during that entire period. he didn't want a single scrap of power to go to buu, which imo caused him to overestimate his opponents and underestimate his allies. i think, honestly, that the best indication we have of his power is that he lasted longer than mssj gohan against buu. but, by my numbers, even if he's stronger than mssj gohan, he's not too much stronger than base goku and still significantly weaker than mssj (pre majin) vegeta. @tgz. he could, but he wasn't very good at it, imo. I don't think he was worried so much about energy going to Boo. I think he was worried about Boo's egg being ruptured by a big battle or something. And about Gohan doing worse than Kaioshin against Boo, I'd definitely chalk that up to Gohan being weakened from Boo's initial attack plus his Kamehameha shot at the egg.
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~~CatouttaHell~~	Oct 2 2011, 09:00 PM Post #120
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	lunar2 Oct 2 2011, 08:12 PM kaioshin knew of him by reputation, but again, hadn't had any personal experience with him, so he just knew that yakon was very powerful, not how powerful he was Kaioshin said they should gang up on him AFTER he saw Yakon's movements.



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