100% Frieza vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)

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100% Frieza vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)
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+ Pyrus	Sep 6 2011, 12:49 AM Post #16
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	LionFangFist Sep 6 2011, 12:34 AM i remember Raditz saying something like "even if you have our blood you haven't a fraction of the training" to goku. which means Saiyans train Can you provide the exact page this is said? I don't remember it.
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SirParagon	Sep 6 2011, 12:59 AM Post #17
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Goku is a main character, that automatically makes him strong enough to take down any previously defeated big-bad without even trying, following the logic of 'not this bastard again'. Edited by SirParagon, Sep 6 2011, 01:01 AM.
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LionFangFist	Sep 6 2011, 01:04 AM Post #18
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	http://www.mangareader.net/105-2847-3/dragon-ball/chapter-198.html "incomplete battle powe" meaning that he wasn't fully trained. though they say it better in the anime Edited by LionFangFist, Sep 6 2011, 01:06 AM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 6 2011, 01:15 AM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	LionFangFist Sep 6 2011, 01:04 AM http://www.mangareader.net/105-2847-3/dragon-ball/chapter-198.html "incomplete battle powe" meaning that he wasn't fully trained. though they say it better in the anime How does that mean he wasn't fully trained? Saiyans don't train. They're sent off on missions. That's the only way they get stronger. All Raditz's quote means is that Goku was too weak to fight him.
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LionFangFist	Sep 6 2011, 01:18 AM Post #20
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	incomplete battle power means his power isnt complete. that obviously means he isnt fully or completely trained. "incomplete power" doesnt equal "weaker than me"



+ supersaqer	Sep 6 2011, 01:37 AM Post #21
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I agree with Kamikaze Pyro. Now lets go back to the thread and Goku would wreck Frieza with relative ease. I'd say the gap between Goku and Frieza is about 40% - 60% power gap. Goku : 200,000,000 - 300,000,000. Frieza : 120,000,000 (And getting lower due to power/ki loss.). Edited by supersaqer, Sep 6 2011, 01:38 AM.
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Majin Popo	Sep 6 2011, 01:38 AM Post #22
Posts: 289 Group: Member Member #6,473 Joined: July 10, 2011	LionFangFist Sep 6 2011, 01:18 AM incomplete battle power means his power isnt complete. that obviously means he isnt fully or completely trained. "incomplete power" doesnt equal "weaker than me" There's no such thing as being fully or completely trained. In Z, the more people train, the stronger they get, no matter what.
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LionFangFist	Sep 6 2011, 01:51 AM Post #23
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	my point is that there some kind of standard of power with the saiyans thats obtained somehow (through training ofcourse) and raditz was saying goku was incomplete as in he hadnt done the training to reach that standard



+ Pyrus	Sep 6 2011, 02:07 AM Post #24
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	LionFangFist Sep 6 2011, 01:51 AM my point is that there some kind of standard of power with the saiyans thats obtained somehow (through training ofcourse) and raditz was saying goku was incomplete as in he hadnt done the training to reach that standard You don't seem to understand that Saiyans don't train. They're either on missions or screwing around (as seen in the Bardock TV special). The only Saiyan we ever see training prior to Goku and his shenanigans is Vegeta. They got stronger by going on missions, which is exactly how Bardock got to be so strong; he never trained otherwise.
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LionFangFist	Sep 6 2011, 02:09 AM Post #25
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	oh? i thought this was simply a manga discussion well if we're talking about anime raditz says they train



Saberoph	Sep 6 2011, 02:13 AM Post #26
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I give this to Base Goku, because the MSS Training took his Base to a whole new level. Since Goku had an equal/becoming more powerful than him Training partner, Goku's SS power shot up like a rocket, and well we know SS power is in fact Base power, so Goku's Base power would increase at the same rate as Goku's SS power...then you throw in 7 years of solid Training and achieving two more SS levels, and increasing the power of two of them, so Goku's Base would be insanely high by the Boo arc. Speaking of Bardock, I wonder how powerful he would've been if he had trained along with going on Missions all the time...
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~~Spirit~~	Sep 6 2011, 02:18 AM Post #27
So Lonely Posts: 1,435 Group: GTFO Member #6,401 Joined: June 24, 2011	I give this to 100% Frieza easily. Personally I think this forum has gone overboard with the power levels after Namek's destruction. Feel free to argue this.
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Saberoph	Sep 6 2011, 02:22 AM Post #28
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I wanna know why you think Frieza would win.
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~~Spirit~~	Sep 6 2011, 02:26 AM Post #29
So Lonely Posts: 1,435 Group: GTFO Member #6,401 Joined: June 24, 2011	Well. Simple really. Without Kaioken Goku would have to be able to take on at least 5,000 times Earths gravity to stand a good chance. Vegeta was training in 400 as a Super Saiyan (probably was filler). In my personal opinion I think Goku with Kaioken can beat him, but other than that I think Frieza would win. I know it sounds kinda weird though...
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LionFangFist	Sep 6 2011, 02:33 AM Post #30
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #6,546 Joined: July 29, 2011	the only argument saying goku would win is that they're are some kind of multipliers that come into play. ofcourse nothing about multipliers have ever been mentioned in the show so i think thats pretty stupid. people are sayin goku had a something power level when he fought someone as a super saiyan and using this x50 multiplier rule then his base power greater than frieza's. i mean why would u think theyre are multipliers exist in dbz?



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