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Judge Blocks Texas Sonogram Law
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Rockman	Sep 2 2011, 12:59 AM Post #1
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/31/us-abortion-texas-idUSTRE77U06F20110831 Reduced info: Just last year, Republican candidate Rick Perry pushed a bill in Texas through that forced women to have a sonogram before they had an abortion. The abortions due to Statutory R-word, and incest also required a sonogram, but the women must sign a form saying they do not wish to hear the doctor's explanation, or see the images. 3 days ago, a federal court struck down the bill, calling it: Quote: ...the measure was a basic intrusion into the privacy rights of women and doctors. Also stating: Quote: "The act compels physicians to advance an ideological agenda with which they may not agree, regardless of any medical necessity, and irrespective of whether the pregnant women wish to listen," About the two exclusions: Quote: "The Court need not belabor the obvious by explaining why, for instance, women who are pregnant as a result of sexual assault or incest may not wish to certify that fact in writing, particularly if they are too afraid of retaliation to even report the matter to police," Julie Rikelman, the attorney that filed the lawsuit says, Quote: "What this law assumes is outdated stereotypes that women are too immature or incompetent to make important decisions." Perry had this to say: Quote: ...said the goal of the law was to make sure women have all information necessary to make an informed decision on an important medical procedure. He and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, also a Republican, vowed to appeal the ruling. Now the million dollar question is, what do you think? Is this law that Perry's pushing really there to help the patient make an informed decision? Or is it a way of enforcing guilt upon the deed at hand, regardless if it's legal or not.
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Seruphim	Sep 2 2011, 01:16 AM Post #2
Cell's Angel Posts: 3,242 Group: Goddess Member #867 Joined: November 15, 2005 Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	I think it's Perry being an idiot. Seems to be his forte, really. I'm glad the judge blocked it. But really, This is a religious deal. So I suppose the whole guilt thing is highly possible, if not true. 'Don't you see that you're going to kill this life?? How could you! The baby is a human being!'



lunar2	Sep 2 2011, 01:30 AM Post #3
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	well, the baby IS a human being, religious views or no. as for the law, they were just trying to force a guilt trip to convince the women not to get abortions. as much as i disagree with abortions for any reason other than medical or sexual assault, this law was a low blow from someone to cowardly to address the issue directly.
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Seruphim	Sep 2 2011, 01:37 AM Post #4
Cell's Angel Posts: 3,242 Group: Goddess Member #867 Joined: November 15, 2005 Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	lunar2 Sep 2 2011, 01:30 AM well, the baby IS a human being, religious views or no. Scientifically, though, isn't it not really anything but a clump of cells until a certain point in the pregnancy? but that leads into an entirely new debate on what justifies as human and such really.



lunar2	Sep 2 2011, 01:46 AM Post #5
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Seruphim Sep 2 2011, 01:37 AM lunar2 Sep 2 2011, 01:30 AM well, the baby IS a human being, religious views or no. Scientifically, though, isn't it not really anything but a clump of cells until a certain point in the pregnancy? but that leads into an entirely new debate on what justifies as human and such really. you're thinking of the definition set forth in roe vs. wade by the supreme court. that was not based in science, it was based in politics. scientists have used that case as justification for embryonic stem cell research to bypass anti-cloning laws, by saying that the embryos aren't human, so they aren't cloning. but, under the scientific definition of life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life Living organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations embryos do everything in that definition except reproduce and adapt through natural selection. but to say that they aren't human or alive because of that means that life or humanity doesn't begin until puberty, which we know isn't true.
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Seruphim	Sep 2 2011, 02:24 AM Post #6
Cell's Angel Posts: 3,242 Group: Goddess Member #867 Joined: November 15, 2005 Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	Oh, that's interesting. I never knew that. Thanks : ) Made me think about new things. I still don't agree with this law though. A woman usually knows what she's getting into it when it comes to an abortion and I think it's hard enough to go through one without having pictures and sounds of the unborn baby shoved into your face. Of course, you'll always have your exceptions. I know a girl who had an abortion but I don't know if she ever learned anything from it or had a hard time going through it. I do know it would've been bad for her to have a child as she would have been an unfit mother. And I know there's the 'well give them up for adoption' thing but that raises other problems. Some orphanages aren't all that great to begin with for one. Not that they're better off dead (although in some cases maybe. a lot of children are abused. I was shocked today found out that there's child prostitution going on here in Austin) but.. ah.. so many moral dilemmas I treasure human life but abortion is, I think, one of those evil necessities. It can be life saver for people with medical problems or who have been sexually assaulted, like lunar said. For the other women who get abortions, such as people like the girl I know, maybe if we focused more on proper sex education instead of abstinence the problem of unwanted pregnancies would die down a little



Cal	Sep 2 2011, 02:33 AM Post #7
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	I'm not sure how forcing a sonogram on anyone is a good idea. That's like me saying I don't want to eat a nutritious snack then being forced to read the nutrition facts anyway.



Fulgore	Sep 2 2011, 02:56 AM Post #8
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	This is suppose to discourage women who get knocked up at parties and ***** because they're whores from getting free abortions by crying rape.
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Rockman	Sep 2 2011, 01:48 PM Post #9
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Fulgore Sep 2 2011, 02:56 AM This is suppose to discourage women who get knocked up at parties and ***** because they're whores from getting free abortions by crying rape. The cost alone should be enough to discourage the whores you speak of. Also you can't cry rape without getting official police work involved. And if you're caught lying, not only will you be in jail, but you'll be there with a baby. A great way to go out might I add.
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