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Decreasing Multipliers?
Topic Started: Aug 31 2011, 03:09 AM (609 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish Aug 31 2011, 03:09 AM Post #1
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hm... how do you come up with your decreasing multipliers?
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Aug 31 2011, 03:35 AM.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 31 2011, 03:35 AM Post #2
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If I believed in them, my explanation would be:

Super Saiyans, or saiyans who have attained super saiyan transformations, gradually conform to their initial Super Saiyan power (SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3) with super saiyan training. The power of the transformation will ultimate converge nearly to x (maybe 2 or 4) times a saiyan's normal-state power.

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propertydefinition
instancespecified time
max power outputpower out in highest ssj state measured in non-ssj base; non-ssj base is base if the saiyan had not attained ssj
decreasing factorsshows decrease in ssj multipliers
Goku
instancemax power outputdecreasing factors
on Namek50
BaseSSJ1
150
training in RoSaT50
BaseSSJ1
225
510
105
252
in Otherworld400
BaseSSJ1SSJ2SSJ3
25224
end of Z400
BaseSSJ1SSJ2SSJ3
50222

Note that i have the products of the ssj rows equal to the SEG factor...

Also something interesting; by the end of Z, Goku's base is effectively SSJ; he's as strong as if he had only just attained SSJ at the end of Z. In this example, Goku's ssj states reduce to no lower than 2. If you want, they could be higher or lower. Kinda like this if you have all ssj states only going as low as half:

Goku
instancemax powerbasessj1ssj2ssj3
end of Z40082512

There, apparently, it looks like SSJ2 doesn't matter unless Goku need to be in SSJ2 to get to SSJ3... shrugs.. have it at.
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lunar2 Aug 31 2011, 03:50 AM Post #3
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 my theory is that ssj forms aren't true transformations, in the sense that oozaru, zarbon or frieza are transformed.

a saiyan whose body has reached a certain level of conditioning (represented by having a battle power of ~50,000) undergoes a slight metamorphosis. their personality changes some, and they may gain access to some basic mental abilities. the most striking feature is the ability to consciously manipulate stress related hormones, such as adrenaline.

so, a saiyan who has conditioned themselves to this point, and undergoes this metamorphosis, is a super saiyan. the state called super saiyan is actually the conscious increased output of hormones such as adrenaline, triggering the body to partially bypass its natural limitations. this causes the saiyan to tap into a greater portion of their true abilities, that the body normally blocks to protect itself from injury. the blond hair, green eyes, and golden aura are a side effect caused by the heightened kiflow, that partially manifests in the visible spectrum.

a saiyan that spends significant amounts of time in this heightened state encounters a welcome side effect. as their body becomes accustomed to this higher threshold of power, the natural safety limitations shift upward, allowing the saiyan to use larger portions of their power without manipulating their hormones, and they use less hormones to reach the heightened state, because the body makes the transition more easily. of course the effect of lower hormone usage is decreased emotional effects and strain on the metabolism, creating the advanced form we call mssj.

once that occurs, the body is still capable of using all the hormones it used to, and when the saiyan discovers that, they can heighten their abilities once more, reaching ssj2, which has similar effects as the original heightened ssj state.

ssj3 is slightly different, in that the saiyan has to push their hormone levels above what the super saiyan body is designed to, causing intense metabolic strain, but also completely bypassing the safety blocks. a saiyan in the ssj3 form can use their true full power, but reaches exhaustion quickly, as their body struggles to maintain production of the hormones necessary to achieve that level of power. the extreme kiflow causes the growth of artificial hair that is actually solidified ki. the saiyan's natural hair doesn't grow, which is why, when the form is lost, their hair returns to normal.

that's my theory on the matter, anyway.

btw, ssj2 and 3 don't ever decrease.
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Balthazor Aug 31 2011, 04:02 AM Post #4
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I'm damn serious

 I think the SSJ and SSJ2 transformation loses there power up and SSJ3 is the only power up they'd have left,Gohan is a good indicated of this.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 31 2011, 04:06 AM Post #5
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[lunar2 post]
^ I can dig it.

Can Super Saiyan get used to the hormones that they output as SSJ2(3)? And if so, would they adapt like so as SSJ? I see you think that SSJ2 and SSJ3 don't ever decrease.

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Spirit Aug 31 2011, 04:09 AM Post #6
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 I had no idea we could get into the Science of how Saiyan bodies work.

We hardly know about our own bodies XD
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lunar2 Aug 31 2011, 05:46 AM Post #7
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Aug 31 2011, 04:09 AM
I had no idea we could get into the Science of how Saiyan bodies work.

We hardly know about our own bodies XD
i don't think the saiyan can adjust to ssj2 like they do to ssj. their would certainly be some level of adjustment, like learning to think rationally amid all the emotional turmoil, but as for actually energy usage, i think that's pretty much static.

as for ssj3, they definitely couldn't make an adjustment to that, beyond emotional/rational, of course. they are pushing their body to its absolute limit, and that will always be extremely taxing, no matter how often, or how long they do it.

edit: whoops, i meant to quote bizness.
Edited by lunar2, Aug 31 2011, 05:46 AM.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Spirit Aug 31 2011, 06:11 AM Post #8
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 Not sure what these hormones really mean, but truth be told:

Toriyama and his Co-Worker created Super Saiyan on the spot during the Frieza Saga. They didn't even know they did a x50 Multiplier until later on when it became obvious XD
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POOHEAD189 Aug 31 2011, 06:13 AM Post #9
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 I dont think SSJ transformations ever change multipliers.
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