Should countries give harsher sentences?

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Should countries give harsher sentences?
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DanielSan	Aug 31 2011, 01:20 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Ok I was reading comments on this story from yahoo. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/teen-gets-branded-felon-life-robbing-man-7-200811947.html Alot of people saying we are way too soft. Some even say give this kid death. Also on yahoo answers I even saw a guy that wants all red light runners get 10 years in prison! Also he even said that death should go to drug dealers, carjackers, and even pety theft. Should countries give harsh sentences like this? Also one guy even said " I hope this kid gets beaten in the cell every single day for the rest of his sentence by everyone" Ok he said things alot worse than that. He also said that they should starve prisoners and they shouldn't get health care at all. Do you agree or disagree? Also one comment i so harsh i can't even explain it all the way through. Lets say the guy said he should be beaten for one whole weak and should starve for the whole week too. And on the final day the guy should he should well you know. It is way too harsh to say it on here. Let's say he would be like jesus but slightly worse. Edited by DanielSan, Aug 31 2011, 01:40 AM.



Optimus Banana	Aug 31 2011, 01:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	It depends on the crime. Drug smugglers & red light runners aren't really that bad. I say child molesters, mass murderers, and anyone who tortures someone should have have a weight strapped to their leg and throw into a gator pit. No sense in keeping them alive wasting tax payer dollars feeding them and giving them shelter. Edited by Optimus Banana, Aug 31 2011, 01:40 AM.
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lunar2	Aug 31 2011, 01:52 AM Post #3
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	harsh sentences aren't an effective deterrent for crime. the death penalty should be reserved for repeat (not spree) killers. crimes that do not result in the death of another do not, and should not, be punished with the death penalty. i am a fan of restitution based punishment. e.g. if you steal 100 dollars, you have to pay back 200 dollars to the person you stole from, half to replace the money, and half for the inconvenience you caused, as well as a 200 dollar fine to pay for the police work and court costs caused by your actions. as for physical/psychological punishment, or denial of basic human rights because of a crime. no. the point of justice is to reform the criminal, not to make them worse. also, there is always the very significant chance that the person you are punishing didn't actually commit the crime, so the punishment must stay away from those extremes that would be unbearable to a normal person. separation from society, and loss of control of your life are punishment enough for the majority of criminals, and most of the rest shouldn't even be in prison in the first place.
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* Sousen Ichimonji	Aug 31 2011, 01:56 AM Post #4
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	lunar2 Aug 31 2011, 01:52 AM no. the point of justice is to reform the criminal, not to make them worse. So someone steals £100, then they have £400 taken off them, and they aren't left more desperate to steal? Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but I felt the need to play devils advocate here - there are very few methods of punishment suited to reform a criminal that can be seen as cost effective and fair for all parties.
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Optimus Banana	Aug 31 2011, 02:02 AM Post #5
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	lunar2 Aug 31 2011, 01:52 AM harsh sentences aren't an effective deterrent for crime. the death penalty should be reserved for repeat (not spree) killers. crimes that do not result in the death of another do not, and should not, be punished with the death penalty. i am a fan of restitution based punishment. e.g. if you steal 100 dollars, you have to pay back 200 dollars to the person you stole from, half to replace the money, and half for the inconvenience you caused, as well as a 200 dollar fine to pay for the police work and court costs caused by your actions. as for physical/psychological punishment, or denial of basic human rights because of a crime. no. the point of justice is to reform the criminal, not to make them worse. also, there is always the very significant chance that the person you are punishing didn't actually commit the crime, so the punishment must stay away from those extremes that would be unbearable to a normal person. separation from society, and loss of control of your life are punishment enough for the majority of criminals, and most of the rest shouldn't even be in prison in the first place. I should have put if there's physical proof. Some people just need taken out of society like the psycho paths and crazy killer people. Also, what if the person can't the money back? Do they have to work for them to earn the money back?
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lunar2	Aug 31 2011, 02:05 AM Post #6
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Sousen Ichimonji Aug 31 2011, 01:56 AM lunar2 Aug 31 2011, 01:52 AM no. the point of justice is to reform the criminal, not to make them worse. So someone steals £100, then they have £400 taken off them, and they aren't left more desperate to steal? Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but I felt the need to play devils advocate here - there are very few methods of punishment suited to reform a criminal that can be seen as cost effective and fair for all parties. the punishment isn't really what stops the crime anyway. you could make jaywalking a death penalty offense, and people would still do it, because they know they can get away with it. the only effective deterrent to crime is detection. good old fashioned boots on the ground, and cameras at every intersection and public building. when people know that there is a near guarantee of a police officer within 2 blocks of them, and that if they are outside, they're probably under surveillance, then they won't commit even the pettiest of crimes, assuming a reasonable punishment. back at the restitution. the man steals $100. the man gets caught, and loses $300 of his own money, as well as what he stole. the man gets desperate, and steals $400. the man gets caught again, and loses another $1,200 of his own money. if the man has even half a brain, he'll quit stealing. he's already out $1,500 on theft, and he's been caught 2 for 2. he ought to know by now that theft doesn't pay. @ lamas. in that case, the state would pay the restitution, and the criminal would be forced to work off the debt with community service. if he fails to report for his community sevice, stick him in jail to make license plates for a few weeks. Edited by lunar2, Aug 31 2011, 02:07 AM.
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DanielSan	Aug 31 2011, 02:31 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Yeah I think some of those people are kind of insane on that site. Giving death for crimes like that to 15 year old kids would be somewhat crazy. Not sure if that would make crime worse or not. But make laws too harsh people would start to rebel. If the usa was just like people on yahoo wanted to be then the gov would be look at as a complete power state or something like that. It would be worse. I somewhat agree with lunar on this one.



SirParagon	Aug 31 2011, 02:46 AM Post #8
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	I don't agree with capital punishment at all, just like throwing people into prison. It doesn't solve anything and it never will. It just creates a false sense of security without truly tackling the heart of social problems. We have to change our perception from being 'that person is pure evil, kill them' to 'that person has done unacceptable things, why is that so?', which is more in line with the truth. punishment =/= prevention Edited by SirParagon, Aug 31 2011, 02:54 AM.
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Jonnoley	Aug 31 2011, 03:47 PM Post #9
Posts: 176 Group: Member Member #3,988 Joined: February 16, 2009	I agree with a lot of the views here; Harsher punishments will not result in less crime. There's a story over here in the UK about how they've assigned a couple of policemen to a council estate down in England, and they just sort of patrolled around, and helped set up some more activities for the local kids, they got to know all the residents, and talked to them, and the crime has reduced by a ridiculous amount. So tbh, I think people just need the reassurance of the "bobbies on the beat", to quote London from the 60s. I don't agree with CCTV everywhere though, that doesn't give enough of a deterrent, even if it does contribute to arrest rates. Oh, and you could also have ****ing sensible gun laws like us.



+ Clearin	Aug 31 2011, 03:51 PM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I don't think it's too soft at all. The ways they used to kill people for petty crimes just seems unhuman to me.



* Yu Narukami	Aug 31 2011, 05:46 PM Post #11
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	There's no optimal punishment for crimes. You make it too severe, people complain. You make it too soft, people complain. There is no middle road where everybody's happy with the punishments given to criminals. I don't agree with Capital Punishment and I certainly don't agree with the violent people who made those comments.



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