Gohan being SS2 or MSS...The showdown.

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Gohan being SS2 or MSS...The showdown.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2011, 01:52 AM Post #46
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 01:25 AM Kamikaze Pyro Sep 1 2011, 01:20 AM Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 12:09 AM Necifix Aug 31 2011, 11:49 PM No lightning. No Super Saiyan 2. No reason there wasn't lightning present at any point in the fight. Debate over. Gohan was MSSj. I'm sick of this. Why argue for SSj2 when all signs point to him NOT being SSj2? All? There's honestly quite a lot of signs for both sides. You just ignore the ones that point to SSj2 because you don't like them, while most people look at both sides. Stop being so close-minded u.u Possible explanations for the sparks: 1) Sparks are used for Akira to signify great power. Heck even SSj Vegetto had them, unless you want to argue he was actually a SSj2. Yet we knew at that point Gohan didn't have such great power so they were left out because he's portrayed as weak now 2) They lose the sparks when they get too worn out, something I think Vegeta and Goku proved after their fight. And we didn't know how long or hard Gohan had been fighting Dabura 3) He was MSSj. Choose one. Or for an out-of universe reason: 4) Sparks aren't even always consistent. SSj3 Gotenks has them, then he doesn't, then he does, then he doesn't, and this includes panels where he has an aura. That's my possible explanations for the sparks. The lightning isn't inconsistent with Gotenks. He has them at all times except for about 6 panels (about 4-5 of those are when something would obstruct the lightning, I think), in which case the panel next to it presents him with lightning, so it's not like it's an entire page or battle, such as with Gohan. Just putting my two dollars in to this comment. Trust me, there's waaaaay more than 6 lol. Where? I literally have the manga out in front of me. 1. Page 115, panel 5/6: right after Gotenks and Piccolo escape and Boo says Gotenks looks different. I guess I'd say here that Toriyama didn't bother because of the distance. It would just look muddled. The next panel he's got it. 2. Page 116, panel 9/9: an even farther shot of Gotenks (with Boo up close), so I'd lump it in with #1. 3. Page 120, panel 2/5: Gotenks is punching and Boo is bending his body to the side to dodge. Well, since Toriyama couldn't even fit the entire aura into the picture, maybe the lightning would've obstructed or been obstructed by something, like the movement lines from Boo or the little blurt in the corner of the panel. 4. Page 125, panel 1/6: yet another distance shot of Gotenks. 5. Page 128, panel 1/6: Gotenks is holding Boo in ball form. I don't know why he has no lightning, to be honest. Maybe the speech bubbles would've gotten in the way, or Toriyama was really lazy with this battle (I mean, Gotenks' aura switches on and off like a flickering light the entire time for no reason). 6. Page 129, panel 4/6: Gotenks is flying toward Boo in the crater. Perhaps the speed just got rid of the lightning momentarily, as once he's stopped, he has them back (but in between then is a panel where he has no aura, so wtf again, Toriyama). 7. Page 131, panel 1/5: Gotenks is hovering above the crater. This one is probably the longest distance shot in the fight so far, so I can see why Toriyama probably didn't add the lightning. 8. Page 131, panel 2/5: Gotenks is waiting for Boo outside the crater. Yet another panel where I don't have an explanation because the lightning could've easily been put in. The speech bubbles aren't covering Gotenks to any great length. 9. Page 138, panel 5/5: Gotenks is about to axehandle Boo. No explanation for this one really. 10. Page 139, panel 3/3: Gotenks is charging at Boo. It's another distance shot. 11. Page 140, panel 1/4: Gotenks is about to kick Boo in the face. It's a slight distance shot, but there's enough space to put lightning in, so I don't know. 12. Page 143, panel 1/7: Gotenks and kicking Boo's *****. It's slightly distanced, and there are a lot of collision spots, so maybe Toriyama didn't want to clutter the panel too much. Other than that, I couldn't tell you. Those are all the ones I could spot in my Vizbig. I guess I did miscount, and it's twice what I thought at first, but considering there are 51 panels of him with an aura, 23% being without lightning is excusable in my opinion, but that's just me.
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+ Clearin	Sep 1 2011, 01:55 AM Post #47
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I wouldn't be able to list every panel and page but I counted 41 (using bad quality pics) with 6 debatable ones due to being too close/too far away/speech bubbles. That's only the first time he turned SSj3 and not the 2nd time.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2011, 01:59 AM Post #48
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 01:55 AM I wouldn't be able to list every panel and page but I counted 41 (using bad quality pics) with 6 debatable ones due to being too close/too far away/speech bubbles. That's only the first time he turned SSj3 and not the 2nd time. You counted 41 panels where he didn't have lightning? If so, *****. You need some better quality pictures.
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+ Clearin	Sep 1 2011, 02:16 AM Post #49
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 1 2011, 01:59 AM Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 01:55 AM I wouldn't be able to list every panel and page but I counted 41 (using bad quality pics) with 6 debatable ones due to being too close/too far away/speech bubbles. That's only the first time he turned SSj3 and not the 2nd time. You counted 41 panels where he didn't have lightning? If so, ***. You need some better quality pictures. Okay I'll use my actual manga. Volume 25 (For all): Page 113 panel 5 (1) Page 114 panel 1, 9 (3) Page 117 panel 4 (4) Page 118 panel 2, 3, 4, 5 (8) Page 119 panel 1, 2, 4 (11) Page 120 panel 3 (12) Page 121 panel 1, 3 (14) Page 122 panel 1, 3 (16) Page 123 panel 1, 5, 6 (19) Page 125 panel 3, 5, 6, 8 (23) Page 126 panel 1, 3, 5 (27) Page 127 panel 4, 5 (29) Page 129 panel 2, 4 (31) Page 133 panel 2, 4 (33) Page 134 panel 2, 3 (35) page 135 panel 2, 3, 5 (38) page 136 panel 1, 3, 5 (41) page 137 panel 1, 3 (43) page 138 panel 1 (44 page 139 panel 1, 2, 4, 7 (48) page 140 panel 2, 4, 5 (51) page 141 panel 1, 2, 5 (54) Debatable: Page 114 panel 8 (1) Page 129 panel 1 (2) Page 130 panel 1 (3) Page 134 panel 1 (4) page 135 panel 1 (5) lol I actually ended up with more that time. I ended up with 1 less debatable somehow...maybe it was more obvious with better quality. Edited by Clearin**, Sep 1 2011, 02:17 AM.



Fulgore	Sep 1 2011, 02:21 AM Post #50
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	How is this an argument still? I think Gohan backed up the statement that he wasn't angry like he was before against cell.. Meaning he didn't acheive the level of SSj2. Face it, we know ONE thing about Gohan when he's in SSj2, he's RUTHLESS. If he was SSj2, I don't see why he would make comments like he's angry, but not like when he was fighting Cell.
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+ Clearin	Sep 1 2011, 02:23 AM Post #51
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:21 AM How is this an argument still? I think Gohan backed up the statement that he wasn't angry like he was before against cell.. Meaning he didn't acheive the level of SSj2. Face it, we know ONE thing about Gohan when he's in SSj2, he's RUTHLESS. If he was SSj2, I don't see why he would make comments like he's angry, but not like when he was fighting Cell. He can turn SSj2 without anger. Angry Gohan = Stronger Gohan. Angrier Gohan = Stronger SSj2 Gohan. Edited by Clearin, Sep 1 2011, 02:23 AM.



Fulgore	Sep 1 2011, 02:25 AM Post #52
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 02:23 AM Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:21 AM How is this an argument still? I think Gohan backed up the statement that he wasn't angry like he was before against cell.. Meaning he didn't acheive the level of SSj2. Face it, we know ONE thing about Gohan when he's in SSj2, he's RUTHLESS. If he was SSj2, I don't see why he would make comments like he's angry, but not like when he was fighting Cell. He can turn SSj2 without anger. Angry Gohan = Stronger Gohan. Angrier Gohan = Stronger SSj2 Gohan. Really? Because I can't tell you one instance of Gohan going SSj2 without being angry.
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+ Clearin	Sep 1 2011, 02:26 AM Post #53
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:25 AM Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 02:23 AM Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:21 AM How is this an argument still? I think Gohan backed up the statement that he wasn't angry like he was before against cell.. Meaning he didn't acheive the level of SSj2. Face it, we know ONE thing about Gohan when he's in SSj2, he's RUTHLESS. If he was SSj2, I don't see why he would make comments like he's angry, but not like when he was fighting Cell. He can turn SSj2 without anger. Angry Gohan = Stronger Gohan. Angrier Gohan = Stronger SSj2 Gohan. Really? Because I can't tell you one instance of Gohan going SSj2 without being angry. When he transformed at the tournament? Edit: Goku also says "like the time you fought Cell". Why not just say "Like you were in the tournament 20 minutes ago?" Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6 Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone… Note (via Savage): I think it's worth mentioning here that Goku didn't cite what had very recently happened at the Budokai (SSJ2), but instead talks about Gohan's strength when he faced Cell. So, Gohan's full power was the issue here, not Gohan's access to his strongest transformation. The note on this sums up what I mean. Edited by Clearin, Sep 1 2011, 02:36 AM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2011, 02:39 AM Post #54
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 02:16 AM Kamikaze Pyro Sep 1 2011, 01:59 AM Teen GohanZ Sep 1 2011, 01:55 AM I wouldn't be able to list every panel and page but I counted 41 (using bad quality pics) with 6 debatable ones due to being too close/too far away/speech bubbles. That's only the first time he turned SSj3 and not the 2nd time. You counted 41 panels where he didn't have lightning? If so, *****. You need some better quality pictures. Okay I'll use my actual manga. Volume 25 (For all): Page 113 panel 5 (1) Page 114 panel 1, 9 (3) Page 117 panel 4 (4) Page 118 panel 2, 3, 4, 5 (8) Page 119 panel 1, 2, 4 (11) Page 120 panel 3 (12) Page 121 panel 1, 3 (14) Page 122 panel 1, 3 (16) Page 123 panel 1, 5, 6 (19) Page 125 panel 3, 5, 6, 8 (23) Page 126 panel 1, 3, 5 (27) Page 127 panel 4, 5 (29) Page 129 panel 2, 4 (31) Page 133 panel 2, 4 (33) Page 134 panel 2, 3 (35) page 135 panel 2, 3, 5 (38) page 136 panel 1, 3, 5 (41) page 137 panel 1, 3 (43) page 138 panel 1 (44 page 139 panel 1, 2, 4, 7 (48) page 140 panel 2, 4, 5 (51) page 141 panel 1, 2, 5 (54) Debatable: Page 114 panel 8 (1) Page 129 panel 1 (2) Page 130 panel 1 (3) Page 134 panel 1 (4) page 135 panel 1 (5) lol I actually ended up with more that time. I ended up with 1 less debatable somehow...maybe it was more obvious with better quality. I'm too lazy to go five feet for my manga, but I think a lot of those are him without an aura, because I know there aren't nearly that many with him with an aura without lightning.
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+ Clearin	Sep 1 2011, 02:39 AM Post #55
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Yeah but then you'd need to explain the shots of him with no aura yet with lightning...such panels do exist, right? o.O



Fulgore	Sep 1 2011, 02:40 AM Post #56
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Refer to Videl getting the ***** kicked out of her, I'm pretty sure Gohan was still good and pissed off over that.
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~~Cocoman~~	Sep 1 2011, 02:42 AM Post #57
Badabing! Posts: 1,913 Group: Suspended Member #5,983 Joined: April 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:40 AM Refer to Videl getting the ***** kicked out of her, I'm pretty sure Gohan was still good and pissed off over that. Videl had just been healed derp. I'm sure he was soooooooooooooooooooo mad >_>
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Fulgore	Sep 1 2011, 02:54 AM Post #58
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	FNF Sep 1 2011, 02:42 AM Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:40 AM Refer to Videl getting the ***** kicked out of her, I'm pretty sure Gohan was still good and pissed off over that. Videl had just been healed derp. I'm sure he was soooooooooooooooooooo mad >_> Had a response for this, but I realized you responded like a dick.. so I won't dignify it with a response. Carry on like an adult next time.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2011, 02:55 AM Post #59
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	FNF http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8351039&t=8313124 Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:40 AM Refer to Videl getting the ***** kicked out of her, I'm pretty sure Gohan was still good and pissed off over that. Videl had just been healed derp. I'm sure he was soooooooooooooooooooo mad >_> I'd still be pissed regardless. I'm just an angry guy like that, lingering anger and all. Teen GohanZ http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8351034&t=8313124 Yeah but then you'd need to explain the shots of him with no aura yet with lightning...such panels do exist, right? o.O Not that I know, at least not with him. The hole ripped in the dimensions had lightning, but that's about it. There is a panel or two where we don't see Gotenks' aura but we see lightning, if that's what you mean.
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Fulgore	Sep 1 2011, 02:57 AM Post #60
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Kamikaze Pyro Sep 1 2011, 02:55 AM FNF http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8351039&t=8313124 Fulgore Sep 1 2011, 02:40 AM Refer to Videl getting the ***** kicked out of her, I'm pretty sure Gohan was still good and pissed off over that. Videl had just been healed derp. I'm sure he was soooooooooooooooooooo mad >_> I'd still be pissed regardless. I'm just an angry guy like that, lingering anger and all. Agreed, I don't think Gohan would have just suddenly calmed down. He just watched the girl he liked get beaten half(Three quarters?) to death. It was still lingering I'm sure.
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