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| Gohan being SS2 or MSS...The showdown. | |
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 02:05 PM Post #1 |
 
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There are still people here who believe Gohan was SS2 against Dabra, the problem with some of the users who claim this when it comes down to posting images as proof they only conveniently ONLY post the bangs and never the rest of the hair, and if they did so it would trump their own argument. Here's the full Hairstyle scans against Gohan being SS2. And yes I am bringing this up again, only because the last time it was I didn't get to put my two cents worth in.  Please leave the Gohan was going easy on Goten at the door, that's not what this Thread was about, that's an argument for another Thread and at another time. Here's MSS Gohan about to spar with MSS Goten. Spoiler: click to toggle Also MSS Gohan sparring with MSS Goten. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's MSS Gohan at the Budokai after AT changed Gohan's MSS Hairstyle. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a side shot of MSS Gohan at the Budokai, just to cover all the basis. Note' after AT changed Gohan's MSS hairstyle, sometimes you have to look for the subtle differences between MSS and SS2 with Gohan. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a side shot of SS2 Gohan at the Budokai, note the subtle difference, like the front of Gohan's hair, Gohan's SS2 is spikier than Gohan's MSS from above, and Gohan's SS2 has little bits of hair between the large pieces of hair where MSS did not have it. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a front shot of SS2 Gohan at the Budokai, notice how this completely different from Gohan's MSS Budokai scan. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a side shot of Gohan VS. Dabra, notice the side shot of Gohan's hair does not match Gohan's SS2 hairstyle at the Budokai. Spoiler: click to toggle Now this isn't a very good front view of Gohan in the long panel, my bad on that this was the best I could get. But even so this hairstyle still does NOT match Gohan's SS2 at the Budokai. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another pic of Gohan VS. Dabra in the bottom right panel, here's a frontal image of Gohan's hairstyle...once again it does NOT match Gohan's SS2 Hairstyle. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another side view of Gohan VS. Dabra, and once again it does NOT match Gohan's SS2 Budokai Hairstyle. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another front shot of Gohan's hairstyle against Dabra, and you'll once again see that it does NOT match Gohan's SS2 Hairstyle at the Budokai. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a front shot of MSS Gohan after Fat Boo is hatched, and it matches Gohan's hairstyle in the Dabra fight, however does not match Gohan's SS2 Hairstyle at the Budokai. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a side shot of MSS Gohan after Fat Boo was hatched, once again this matches Gohan's Hairstyle against Dabra, but does not match Gohan's SS2 Hairstyle. Spoiler: click to toggle Here's a side shot of Gohan going MSS to remove the Zeta Sword, and like the Post Boo Hatching pics, they match the Gohan VS. Dabra but don't match Gohan's SS2 scans. See when I make a claim in hairstyles I deliver, not just a shot of some bangs and call that my proof, and yes I may be coming off as a bit of an a hole, but if people are gonna make claims and keep on and on about their claims being true, then they need to present the proper FULL Evidence and not half of it and try to make it fact. Now you may ask why I only used Manga Scans and not Anime Screenshots, and that's because the Manga Scans are more reliable then the Screenshots, and because TOEI has a nasty habit of screwing up either just the hairstyles, body work or everything, and also because Manga>Anime, the Manga is more solid to go by than the Anime. Also I did not use these scans for the words(I realize they are fanslations), I only used these scans for the visuals and only that. Also notice I also didn't use any of the colored artwork you would see like here... Spoiler: click to toggle That's because they are Just as Reliable as the Anime Screenshots, however kool they may look(And this one does look really kool), but they are not reliable works of art done by AT himself, anything that's not done by him is not Cannon to the Manga and therefore is just as Cannon as the Anime. |
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| Balthazor | Aug 29 2011, 03:18 PM Post #2 |
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Thinking at changed the hair style is an horrible argument based on assumption and or speculation nothing more nothing less,it holds no ground what so ever , I like putting him in between SSJ and SSJ2, a SSJ.5 if you will,that's how i see SPC and daburas strength anyways and it works for me. |
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 03:20 PM Post #3 |
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But the Evidence is there, and you can see the difference between Budokai MSS Gohan and Budokai Training MSS Gohan, saying that is dismissing the evidence, and saying Dabra is on SS2 lvl is dismissing the evidence I just presented. |
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| Balthazor | Aug 29 2011, 03:41 PM Post #4 |
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Gohan has been seen without sparks as an SSJ2 in the cell saga,Gokus SSJ2 burst didn't show any sparks, Gokus quotes on dabura is also questionable to where daburas power can be placed too,as Goku did feel SPC's chi. |
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 03:44 PM Post #5 |
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But if he was on SPC's lvl then Goku would have flat out said that 7 years ago Gohan would have been the only one to defeat Dabra, but he didn't. Also from a Manga standpoint Gohan did have sparks, and that's what I'm using not the Anime. So for those who solely go by the Anime they might be stumpt. lol |
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| Balthazor | Aug 29 2011, 03:53 PM Post #6 |
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UNO there was panel that showed Gohan without sparks hitting cell , I think it's one of those things that prove hair>sparks when it comes to consistency. Don't get me started with the anime lol,there's one troll in Pojo who says that there aint anyone who's been an SSJ2 cept for Gohan cause neither Goku nor Vegeta had sparks when they fought, Can you believe that guy?lol,and I show him a pic of manga SSJ2 Goku and anime SSJ2 Goku without sparks and I told even friggen told him the hair is SSJ2 he said Quote- Lol nice try Balthazor,but Goku never went SSJ2 in the anime,and sparks>hair Hmmmm,but now that I think of it hair=sparks because these are two traits that the form has so unless both are present they shouldn't be considered an SSJ2, Well... |
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 04:01 PM Post #7 |
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Well at least if you pay close attention to the hair you can actually tell which form the person is in if there isn't any sparks, and when it comes down to it the Budokai SS2 Hairstyle doesn't match any of the other Hairstyles, yet the other Hairstyles match each other except for the SS2 Budokai Hairstyle, |
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| + Clearin | Aug 29 2011, 04:06 PM Post #8 |
 
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Of course he was MSSj, he says so himself. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 04:11 PM Post #9 |
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Haha funny, I know for a fact that wasn't in the Manga. But on a serious note Gohan really was MSS not SS2, and yes this Thread was a slap in the face to those who wanna base all their evidence off of a couple pics of bangs. |
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| + Clearin | Aug 29 2011, 04:13 PM Post #10 |
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I know it wasn't in the manga lol. I just thought it'd be a change of mood from the usual thing these threads turn into. |
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Aug 29 2011, 04:19 PM Post #11 |
 
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couldnt agree more with your last sentence, hair and sparks are INTEGRAL to the ssj2 form, you cant have one without the other, NO one is drawn that way. People are allowed to make assumptions about movies 8 and 10 as well because of this same mistake. No one able to prove either way if what they say is actually true, but since At changed gohans hairstyle during the production of the movie then it makes sense to believe that gohan was an mssj with his hairstyle and no sparks against broly. Some people would rather believe broly and gohan were so super strong when in truth, broly was just over gohan in his final form. Gohans base was eating up what brolys ssj was dishing out in a time fashion, whether its technique or strength, gohan intimidated him. To me there is no evidence gohan ever went ssj2, but in order to make sense of brolys strength, they excuse the artists mistake in their favor and say gohan was ssj2. Might i add in bio broly the two boys were mssj and were giving broly a run for his money, and since this is definitely post rosat there is no need to believe the boys are as weak as they were in movie 10. so gohans hair is mssj and he has no sparks, why is that? when his mssj is superior to the boys as well as broly, then how is it possible he only powered up a little and could barely escape brolys grasp? You have LSSj and you have SSj2, neither one is a character that runs, if gohan was truly ssj2 then how come he didnt act like he did during the cell games or the fight with bojack? in BOTH of those instances he was emitting power didnt move or think and was as stiff as a rock. Putting his hands through stuff. His fight with broly would have been alot more intense if gohan was truly ssj2, even the fight with majin vegeta and goku as SSj2's was epic as vegeta fought without mercy and goku went all out. Totally different fight, all of the classic SSJ2 fights all have the same pattern, what makes this one so different? a bunch, especially gohans hair, demeanor, strength and lack of sparks. Edited by Paikuan extreme, Aug 29 2011, 05:57 PM.
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 05:41 PM Post #12 |
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I know and I thought it was funny. So, does anyone have any physical evidence to counter and or disprove my evidence? Because if so this could get good. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 29 2011, 06:19 PM Post #13 |
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''Hmm! He's still not at full power. Isn't there any limit to his power?'' Kibito saw Gohan's SSJ2 form so it's logical to assume that he thought that it was his full power. Maybe he wasn't able to heal him enough for him to turn SSJ2, that or Gohan didn't have the rage to make use of the transformation. P.s, Sorry, can't find the japanese page right now. Link removed as it leads to a site showing free manga. Edited by Rogue, Aug 31 2011, 08:35 PM.
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| Super Gohan | Aug 29 2011, 09:32 PM Post #14 |
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If you're expecting that degree of consistency for every strand of hair, then you should probably take a better look throughout the manga to see just how 'consistent' Toriyama's drawings are. There's no unyielding process set that everything would be drawn with such precision. It's unlikely he ever would've imagined people to scrutinize it in such a way and expect perfection. Being taxed with weekly deadlines wouldn't give him much freedom to nitpick every little detail; where us fans wouldn't be affected by those same time constraints. If we look at two separate panels of SSj2 Goku for instance, his hair may not be drawn exactly the same, but it does not change the fact that he's meant to be depicted as the same form: Spoiler: click to toggle Using that page of SSj2 Gohan during the tournament as some template of how his SSj2 hair should look is inaccurate because your comparing single panels with an illustration drawn to a full page... which one do you think he committed more time and detail into? In just that same instance, why is it that this panel of his hair is not drawn identical to the others? Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Saberoph | Aug 29 2011, 09:35 PM Post #15 |
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Well see right there you just contradicted yourself, because I didn't use every single scan of Gohan's hairstyle, and I don't expect perfect detail...if I had I would have pointed that out, now wouldn't I? Also you failed to point out that the side shot you posted STILL doesn't match the MSS side shots I presented, so that STILL doesn't disprove my argument. Edited by Saberoph, Aug 29 2011, 09:38 PM.
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