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Life after Death
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 23 2011, 03:08 PM (1,702 Views)
~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 24 2011, 02:53 AM Post #16
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I just can't imagine my thoughts and consciousness inside of someone else's body, who lives an entirely different life. That would... suck. I like my life just the way it is, thank you very much! But yeah, I don't believe in reincarnation and being reborn again. It honestly makes me depressed to think about that kind of thing, and it seems like you're all just over-thinking it. Why can't we all just go to Heaven and be happy together?



SirParagon	Aug 24 2011, 07:00 AM Post #17
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Hmm, random on-the-spot analogy... starts thinking Say the universe is an infinitely wide room with two stories separated by glass. A bright star hovering about the center of the top floor, blinding those on the bottom floor if they try to look up. On the bottom level, we are each separately surrounded by an opaque cubical where we have access to various equipment - a computer, a camera, a television; able to indirectly observe and interact with any other cubical through this apparatus. Moving up a floor. The star's light reaches down through the glass powering every cubical below; providing energy as long as a cubical remains uncluttered. The cubical is destroyed when the light is fully obscured. Then all notions conceived during our time in the cubical break down, we lose the data and the hardware explodes so to speak. Edited by SirParagon, Aug 24 2011, 10:23 AM.
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Jonnoley	Aug 24 2011, 11:53 AM Post #18
Posts: 176 Group: Member Member #3,988 Joined: February 16, 2009	Steve It could be part of the electrical system in your brain it would make sense it weighing something I mean has anybody weighed electricity? It's too fast to get a reading isn't it your soul could just be part of the current going through your brain until you are brainded Well, without getting too sciency.... No, it's not too fast to get a reading, and yes, people have technically measured it. But electrical charge is carried by either electrons or ions (I don't know enough about the brain to say which one it is,) and even when you die, those particles would stay in the body, so you wouldn't lose any mass. My main problem with this theory that this is your soul is that it actually means that the soul is made of physical matter. And that physical matter is invisible, and instantly escapes your body when you die. So, quite frankly, I'm tempted to say that, although the scientists claim to have accounted for it, (exactly how they accounted for it is some nice elusive information no one seems to know), this invisible matter that leaves your body is not your soul. It's just air leaving the lungs.



Naruto-Gogeta	Aug 24 2011, 12:49 PM Post #19
Omega Shenron Posts: 2,890 Group: Member Member #5,370 Joined: October 30, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	SirParagon Aug 23 2011, 11:49 PM That isn't exactly a credible source, just saying. If a soul existed it wouldn't weigh anything just as you cannot attribute a weight to human thought. Only physical matter can have weight. I agree with you. That weight could have been anything such as air leaving the body, or hair falling off, etc.
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~~Espionage~~	Aug 28 2011, 08:01 PM Post #20
Posts: 130 Group: GTFO Member #6,345 Joined: June 11, 2011	I think when we die what happens is whatever WE believe will happen. So in essence it'll be different for every person.



Sam	Aug 29 2011, 11:21 PM Post #21
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	What happens when you let a flower sit in the windowsill without water? It wilts, it dies. What happens to a sea sponge if it is eaten by another sea creature? It is consumed, it dies. What happens to a gazelle if it is torn apart by a lion? It dies. Why are we special? Just because we can think about this? If the gazelle could consciously think about its own death, wouldn't it wonder what is after? But it doesn't, because it can't. But if it could? It would. I sound like Dr. Seuss, but, that's really the reality of it. Screw any god or imaginary friend, that's sort of irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. We have consciousness because of an evolutionary process that led to larger brains being developed over time. Reptiles and dinosaurs had tiny brains because they only needed instincts and motor skills. Their brain is present in our own today in the reptilian complex. They evolved into mammals and mammal-like reptiles. Another larger part of the brain formed, the part with social skills. Emotions. The ability to "love". All of that came from the mammalian complex. That complex is present in our ape-like ancestors. Over time, ape brains developed even further to incorporate the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex has given us consciousness. Without this, we wouldn't be able to come up with all of these theories. So I ask you, without it, would we be like the gazelle? Would we be like a flower? When we wilt and die, what happens to the flower? Nothing. When the gazelle is eaten by a lion, what happens? It is eaten, nothing else. We are no different. We can only realize that we will die and because we have a consciousness, ponder what comes afterward. An animal only lives on instinct. There is no afterward, there is only now. My point is, all of these theories serve to immortalize humans, but, what about the flower? The gazelle? The sea sponge? Nothing comes of them and there is no evidence that something ever could. Hopefully I'm not just making a moot point here and at least someone gets the gist of what I'm saying. I'm sure I'm leaving something out, though.
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SirParagon	Aug 30 2011, 01:04 AM Post #22
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Necifix Aug 29 2011, 11:21 PM What happens when you let a flower sit in the windowsill without water? It wilts, it dies. What happens to a sea sponge if it is eaten by another sea creature? It is consumed, it dies. What happens to a gazelle if it is torn apart by a lion? It dies. Why are we special? Just because we can think about this? If the gazelle could consciously think about its own death, wouldn't it wonder what is after? But it doesn't, because it can't. But if it could? It would. I sound like Dr. Seuss, but, that's really the reality of it. Screw any god or imaginary friend, that's sort of irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. We have consciousness because of an evolutionary process that led to larger brains being developed over time. Reptiles and dinosaurs had tiny brains because they only needed instincts and motor skills. Their brain is present in our own today in the reptilian complex. They evolved into mammals and mammal-like reptiles. Another larger part of the brain formed, the part with social skills. Emotions. The ability to "love". All of that came from the mammalian complex. That complex is present in our ape-like ancestors. Over time, ape brains developed even further to incorporate the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex has given us consciousness. Without this, we wouldn't be able to come up with all of these theories. So I ask you, without it, would we be like the gazelle? Would we be like a flower? When we wilt and die, what happens to the flower? Nothing. When the gazelle is eaten by a lion, what happens? It is eaten, nothing else. We are no different. We can only realize that we will die and because we have a consciousness, ponder what comes afterward. An animal only lives on instinct. There is no afterward, there is only now. My point is, all of these theories serve to immortalize humans, but, what about the flower? The gazelle? The sea sponge? Nothing comes of them and there is no evidence that something ever could. Hopefully I'm not just making a moot point here and at least someone gets the gist of what I'm saying. I'm sure I'm leaving something out, though. I wonder if someone would actually care about dying if they were unable to feel emotions. Would be interesting to know.
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Jonnoley	Aug 30 2011, 08:32 PM Post #23
Posts: 176 Group: Member Member #3,988 Joined: February 16, 2009	SirParagon I wonder if someone would actually care about dying if they were unable to feel emotions. Would be interesting to know. Well... They probably wouldn't care about anything. They wouldn't like the idea, they wouldn't fear it, they wouldn't desire the knowledge of what comes afterwards. They would be like that towards everything. They would just be neutral towards everything. Quite boring really...



~~Espionage~~	Aug 31 2011, 04:02 AM Post #24
Posts: 130 Group: GTFO Member #6,345 Joined: June 11, 2011	Jonnoley Aug 30 2011, 08:32 PM SirParagon I wonder if someone would actually care about dying if they were unable to feel emotions. Would be interesting to know. Well... They probably wouldn't care about anything. They wouldn't like the idea, they wouldn't fear it, they wouldn't desire the knowledge of what comes afterwards. They would be like that towards everything. They would just be neutral towards everything. Quite boring really... Only one with interests would find it boring though. I'm guessing the person could want to know what happens if it gave him any benefit. Like if he was promised money or sex.



retox	Aug 31 2011, 05:55 AM Post #25
Posts: 19 Group: New Member Member #6,655 Joined: August 25, 2011	Well, I've never really thought of what I would do after I you know, "leave", but I personally believe in reincarnation, but in a different way. I believe we will be born the with the same parents, same everything. But we have another chance at doing good in life until we are "pure-hearted", then we will live an afterlife. But I don't really think about this often, it's just something in my head, nothing serious at all for me. I mean, when you gotta go, you gotta go.



~~Espionage~~	Aug 31 2011, 10:06 PM Post #26
Posts: 130 Group: GTFO Member #6,345 Joined: June 11, 2011	retox Aug 31 2011, 05:55 AM Well, I've never really thought of what I would do after I you know, "leave", but I personally believe in reincarnation, but in a different way. I believe we will be born the with the same parents, same everything. But we have another chance at doing good in life until we are "pure-hearted", then we will live an afterlife. But I don't really think about this often, it's just something in my head, nothing serious at all for me. I mean, when you gotta go, you gotta go. I had this thought in my head as well a few days ago. It'd be nice to see how my life would be had I made a few different things.



SirParagon	Aug 31 2011, 11:26 PM Post #27
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Espionage Aug 31 2011, 10:06 PM retox Aug 31 2011, 05:55 AM Well, I've never really thought of what I would do after I you know, "leave", but I personally believe in reincarnation, but in a different way. I believe we will be born the with the same parents, same everything. But we have another chance at doing good in life until we are "pure-hearted", then we will live an afterlife. But I don't really think about this often, it's just something in my head, nothing serious at all for me. I mean, when you gotta go, you gotta go. I had this thought in my head as well a few days ago. It'd be nice to see how my life would be had I made a few different things. Think about what you're saying logically for a second, forget what you've ever seen within entertainment media/what you have been taught, just how many unanswerable questions does that kind of notion generate? How many groundless assumptions are you making? Don't mean to offend or anything, but instead of having faith in an afterlife (or... some sort of reset button), why not have faith in humanity conquering death itself? The latter is much more likely after all, by a long shot.
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retox	Sep 1 2011, 05:32 AM Post #28
Posts: 19 Group: New Member Member #6,655 Joined: August 25, 2011	I know what you mean, relying on an afterlife is more than likely... useless, but I still like to believe it will happen. It'd be nice. Not logical, not even close to realistic, but it would be nice. All the chat abouts the afterlife and souls led me to think that.



~~Espionage~~	Sep 1 2011, 08:26 PM Post #29
Posts: 130 Group: GTFO Member #6,345 Joined: June 11, 2011	SirParagon Aug 31 2011, 11:26 PM Espionage Aug 31 2011, 10:06 PM retox Aug 31 2011, 05:55 AM Well, I've never really thought of what I would do after I you know, "leave", but I personally believe in reincarnation, but in a different way. I believe we will be born the with the same parents, same everything. But we have another chance at doing good in life until we are "pure-hearted", then we will live an afterlife. But I don't really think about this often, it's just something in my head, nothing serious at all for me. I mean, when you gotta go, you gotta go. I had this thought in my head as well a few days ago. It'd be nice to see how my life would be had I made a few different things. Think about what you're saying logically for a second, forget what you've ever seen within entertainment media/what you have been taught, just how many unanswerable questions does that kind of notion generate? How many groundless assumptions are you making? Don't mean to offend or anything, but instead of having faith in an afterlife (or... some sort of reset button), why not have faith in humanity conquering death itself? The latter is much more likely after all, by a long shot. I'm not advocating everyone believe in it(hell I'm not either). It's something I just found interesting is all. Not all beliefs need to be logical for you to find interest in them. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence by the way.



SirParagon	Sep 2 2011, 03:28 AM Post #30
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Espionage Sep 1 2011, 08:26 PM SirParagon Aug 31 2011, 11:26 PM Espionage Aug 31 2011, 10:06 PM retox Aug 31 2011, 05:55 AM Well, I've never really thought of what I would do after I you know, "leave", but I personally believe in reincarnation, but in a different way. I believe we will be born the with the same parents, same everything. But we have another chance at doing good in life until we are "pure-hearted", then we will live an afterlife. But I don't really think about this often, it's just something in my head, nothing serious at all for me. I mean, when you gotta go, you gotta go. I had this thought in my head as well a few days ago. It'd be nice to see how my life would be had I made a few different things. Think about what you're saying logically for a second, forget what you've ever seen within entertainment media/what you have been taught, just how many unanswerable questions does that kind of notion generate? How many groundless assumptions are you making? Don't mean to offend or anything, but instead of having faith in an afterlife (or... some sort of reset button), why not have faith in humanity conquering death itself? The latter is much more likely after all, by a long shot. I'm not advocating everyone believe in it(hell I'm not either). It's something I just found interesting is all. Not all beliefs need to be logical for you to find interest in them. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence by the way. Belief is siding with a notion that is backed up by evidence (to believe 2+2=4). Otherwise it's just wishful thinking. Experience is the basis of all knowledge, reason is the filter. Unfalsifiable assertions without evidence get us nowhere because they always generate a flip-side which cancels out the argument entirely (from a rational perspective). Edited by SirParagon, Sep 2 2011, 03:29 AM.
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