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| Arkadom | Aug 16 2011, 02:03 AM Post #16 |
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I agree. I myself had one of the wort childhoods I could imagine, I ived on the streets for 3 years when I was 5-8, when I got a home it was a really lackluster one, when i got into a school I was socially rejected, and denied alot of humanity because alot of people knew I had been homeless for a long time, and I never was popular. So for 7 years I went through school with everyone resenting me or thinking i was a weirdo when i could simply fend for myself and didnt need to be popular for anything. I think I wanted to be accepted by someone though, my parents were extremely unreliable, my father was always out and left when I was 4, and my mother was a smoker and alcoholic >.< It was only went I finally left the ring of gossip in secondary school and went onto college that I finally got accepted, and I now have a girlfriend and my own place, so Im happy. The thing is I think some kids just dont realise that to get anything good out of life You have to wade through the oceans of moulding s*** of life. I have a perfectly fine life now because I hung in there and fended for myself, and relied on no one else, I hope that if any kids ever read this they pay attention and keep fighting, because thats the only way You get anything good. |
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| Optimus Banana | Aug 16 2011, 02:12 AM Post #17 |
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Well my parents divorced, and my mom became a schzophrinic. She believed the C.I.A was chasing her and my dad and anyone who thought she was crazy was in it. She was dumb and never took care of the car and it would stall alot and when I was 8 I had to push it. It was embarrassing when it happened in public and needed help. She would then say she hates me cause I look like my dad. She quit her job then told the court my dad owed her like $20,000. Even though they automatically took it out they believed her and doubled his child support payments. She also woulnt let him see us for 5 years even though he had to pay CS. She then got a deal at this motel and we stayed there my 4th grade year. I was 8 and I hung out with this 16 yr old. He r*ped this 4 yr old infront of me then threatened me not to tell. The kid told and he got sent to jail. My mom then tried to take us on vacation before my fifth grade. See rented a car and left the state. Then her debt card didn't work so we had to sleep in a car for 3 days. A staples worker called the police and my mom lost custody of us. At the orphanage I went to I wasn't allowed to see my sister. My dad tried getting custody of us but they wouldn't let him. My moms dad came and got us. After 5th grade my mom thought her parents were poisoning us so she had us sneak out at 9pm. We walked 10mi then she decided to go back and get our stuff. We took our stuff and I had carry 80% of it. We then bounced around hotels then moved to woodburn. This is the first time I actually made friends (I'm in 6th grade). Everytime i try playing outside my mom would freak out on me. Once she threatened to call the police and dis-own us. My dad finally won the custody and picked us up at school and my life changed for the better. /life story rant. |
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| Arkadom | Aug 16 2011, 02:17 AM Post #18 |
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Good for You, we can both go by my policy then. Wade through the s***, get the good stuff =D No offense but Your mother shouldnt travel so much, lol, I had temporary schzophrenia when I was 15, but instead of running away I actually tried to shoot someone who I thought was stalking me. Dont ask how i got the gun and dont ask if I was right...I was right, lol. A few weeks later after therapy I was just dandy. Its nice to know some people can hang in there, I wish upon You a happy life from henceforth(Now on). |
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| SirParagon | Aug 16 2011, 04:19 AM Post #19 |
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We keep hearing these stories, yet it seems few people are vocal about a shift in social values. Probably because we've got a bunch of manipulative ass-wipes in charge of our lives.
Edited by SirParagon, Aug 16 2011, 04:20 AM.
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Aug 16 2011, 08:02 AM Post #20 |
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It's odd the how the reaction of something can be vastly different between kids. One teenager after he's parents took away he's video game went up stairs and killed both he's parents and then threw a party right after. It just goes to show you that life really is unpredictable. |
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| SirParagon | Aug 16 2011, 01:33 PM Post #21 |
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Stuff like that happens due to bad parenting. We can only react in ways we have been attuned to. |
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| lunar2 | Aug 16 2011, 06:26 PM Post #22 |
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that's absolutely not true. i've never seen either of my parents be violent, but when i was 13 i stabbed somebody, and ended up doing 7 years in prison because of it. i was dealing with a bagful of mental disorders, chiefly bipolar disorder, that i've had since very early childhood, possibly birth. i still have those disorders, and still deal with the same violent and suicidal thoughts i've had to put up with since before i can remember, that have led to more suicide attempts than i can count, some of which should have killed me, like cutting the arteries in both elbows and propping my body upside down to bleed out, or taking edited at once, or cutting my jugular vein. as someone who has been to that point multiple times, i find it strange and vaguely insulting how someone who has never had to deal with those thoughts thinks they have any idea of what's "worth it", or who think they can actually judge the people who have been to that point. Edited out some specifics related to drugs, thanks. Edited by Rogue, Aug 16 2011, 08:10 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2011, 06:39 PM Post #23 |
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Teen kills parents and then throws a party I'm sure that's not a result of bad parenting |
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| Mitchgrunge93 | Aug 16 2011, 07:36 PM Post #24 |
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This happens all too often... courts just seem to be geared towards women in legal disputes, and it really isn't fair. Without any proof of who would be the better parent, they most of the time hand custody over to the wife and that's just not fair. Sometimes it ends up like your situation. And then it's too late, the damage is done. Way to go US Court System. |
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| SirParagon | Aug 17 2011, 06:37 AM Post #25 |
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Hypocracy, resentment, neglect; no father/mother figure, low contact hours, little philosophical guidance, failing to take child's relations with peers seriously, psychological torture; the terrors imposed by mainstream religion, forcing a child into an uncomfortable situation, failing to exploring why they feel uncomfortable in such situations, constant discouraging/shooting down a child's dreams. Then the big one, physical abuse/violent discipline (hitting a child will do much more damage than good! Yet it remains an accepted social norm, children aren't donkeys they're human beings and they deserve the same respect as an adult). In other words, these are aspects of a persons life that is almost never reported in media coverage of their story. Why? Because they're private affairs under the radar of an interview or documentation. Don't underestimate the impact upbringing has on an impressionable developing mind and dont be surprised when youths form distasteful allegiances when they have zero respect for their parents. As far as I'm concerned, everyone starts as a blank slate of varied quality and potential depending on genetics, then it is purely through experience that behaviour, personality and paradigm is formed. Positive influences can only create a positive individual. Negative influences can only create a negative individual. The quality of a person changes the degree to which they will sway in either direction given a particular stimulus or experience. I can't point my finger at someone and accuse them of being inherently 'evil', extremely screwed up and/or shun-worthy perhaps, but the notion of 'evil' is a human construction; a religious construction, an idea formed through lazy philosophy. There is a reason behind all human interactions even if the actors don't truly understand it themselves. What if one side is psychotic and lacks some faculties of reasoning? Then you're trying to use the exception as the rule (moronic). Edited by SirParagon, Aug 17 2011, 07:03 AM.
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| Pookie | Aug 18 2011, 03:17 AM Post #26 |
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You could go the other way with this comment. There are some parents that don't hit their kids at all, and their kids are spoiled rotten. I am not talking about abuse where you bruise the kid. When I was younger and my brother, if we did something bad, we would be spanked on the butt lightly or hit with a slipper or something. I know other people who were raised this way. Most of my family was raised this way. We are all college graduates and none of my family members have ever been divorced and no domestic violence. There is not ENOUGH discipline these days imo. There are so many news comments how hitting a kid can do more damage than good. Have kids become more sensitive over the centuries? A light spank or tap on the hand should not injure a kid, and will certainly teach them not to do something if it isn't right like stealing. Yeah, I can't really talk because there are guys that I read on this topic that have had an awful life that no one deserves. I was raised in a two parent home and given everything. However, I look around at today's society and I see the changes in kids. I was made fun of growing up during school. I didn't have many friends. I pushed along and did what I had to do to be successful. I'm not sure if the kid that killed himself had many resources, but there are so many resources in schools that help kids cope with bullying. When a kid made fun of me and made me cry, a teacher pulled me over an spoke with me. She calmed me down, and I was able to keep going to school. Kids handle situations differently, but it seems to be more common now and days then it was when I was in school. Most kids aren't taught to respect their elders anymore. They aren't given the confidence by being put into sports or activities. They play video games that are Rated R. Okay maybe some kids did that during when I was growing up, but now kids are online playing other people. They hear what other people say and are influenced. You hear young kids saying words they should never be saying. Not just that, but parents are now working so many hours just to get by that they have no time to raise their kids. It is a sad society we live in. |
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| Arkadom | Aug 18 2011, 03:29 AM Post #27 |
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^ As much as I support Your opinion, I still dont really belive Your post is entirely valid either. Alot of kids have problems outside of bullying, I knew a kid who tried to kill himself because his adams apple was growing fast and he thought he was ugly. Alot of kids are just afraid of life when they reach puberty, they are scared because they begin to understand things wont be as easy anymore. Alot of kids dont really understand puberty, either, some kids think something like a bad virus is in them because hairs start sprouting, they fell very dizzy, and have growing pains. There are alot of things that push a kid to suicide. I understand and accept Your opinion and perspective, but to understand You really have to live it through and through. Most of the problems in society have nothing to do with parents, just kids who live in an unfair world they dont understand. Edited by Arkadom, Aug 18 2011, 03:30 AM.
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| lunar2 | Aug 18 2011, 03:42 AM Post #28 |
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there are many possible triggers for suicide, for me, it was bipolar disorder, triggered sometimes by environmental factors, and sometimes on its own. as many as 50% of children with gender identity issues attempt suicide before their 18th birthday, because their body is growing in ways they don't think it should. many people are simply too sensitive to deal with what is commonly considered normal behavior. I'll tell you one thing, though. bullying is NOT normal, and if a person is driven to suicide because of bullying, the fault lays entirely with the bullies, who are just as guilty as if they had murdered the person themselves. |
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| SirParagon | Aug 18 2011, 04:00 AM Post #29 |
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It's a shame kids aren't treated as equal to adults. They wade through their entire youth wishing they were an adult, expecting that they'll suddenly reach some sort of pinnacle elightenment when they finally do complete the transition, like everything falls into place. Yet they had existed within a socialist environment (schooling) for most of their lives, then suddenly thrust into a capitalist system possessing little knowledge of how to cope or what they should do. It's even worse these days since people are brought up under the impression that they have no chance at success while observing failure all around them. The bottom line is that kids deserve the same rights as adults, and they deserve guidance in critical thinking; they shouldn't be denied either. You do find some kids to be utterly obnoxious and that might convince you that children should be controlled more, but you're failing to reach the core of the issue, ask why. If we assume a childs behaviour is entirely derived from their experiences, it's only possible to in turn assume parental negligence and/or ignorance when behaviour turns out to be negative. A young mind is a super vacuum funnel, it takes in practically everything, everything molds it. Violent discipline is not a healthy solution, it would be unnecessary without early irreversible screw-ups. It's unnecessary either way, there's always more productive methods than beating something with a stick to make it comply. Edited by SirParagon, Aug 18 2011, 04:14 AM.
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| lunar2 | Aug 18 2011, 04:15 AM Post #30 |
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Discipline is not a healthy solution, it would be unnecessary without early irreversible screw-ups. discipline is not a healthy solution? so, does that mean that millions of years of parenting skills used throughout the animal kingdom is wrong? i honestly hope you never have children, because i can guarantee you will either lose them, or they will be mentally screwed. like you said, children take in EVERYTHING. everything from their parents, from their family, from their friends, from their teachers, classmates, the media, EVERYTHING. children must be disciplined, or else they won't be able to function in society. an undisciplined child never learns the necessity of clothing in modern society, and will soon be imprisoned and labeled a sex offender for running down the street naked. an undisciplined child never learns to stay out of the street, and won't live long enough to be imprisoned and labeled a sex offender for running down the street naked. an undisciplined child will never develop the attention span necessary to succeed in school and work, and will be a burden on society, assuming they make it long enough without getting hit by a car and miraculously avoid prison and sex offender labels. |
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